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Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2694 ![]() ![]() |
2007 you mean surely? As for these hinges, they still don't address the problem with how the hinge is retained to the bulkhead. It's still just that thin curve of steel which can be easily forced by yanking on the bonnet with it raised or just putting a crowbar between the bulkhead and bonnet at the point of the hinge. The only way to make them properly secure would be to attach a new fully captive hinge to the bonnet somehow. |
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X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2297 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hello dgardel... thanks for posting... but
![]() I think form what I can see... Retroanaconda is right. The design looks to address two issues only but still falls short of a significant improvement (probably). Optimill is not alone as a number of after market attempts to tackle this have arrived at the same approach and the discussion from this point onwards is quality and finish, important but not the key issue. 1 The new Optimill hinge protects 'itself' by being more difficult to remove from the bonnet due to the obscured fixings from the outside. presumably once fitted these can be removed intentionally by the owner, by lifting the bonnet and reversing the process of installation... or am I missing something? 2 The main hinge bolt probably has a security head to it but could still be removed with the right tool. 3 Most importantly it still looks to me that with a raised bonnet and a bit of 'levering' i.e with out removing the main hinge bolt the bonnet can still be removed. The design of the hinge arrangement from bonnet to bulkhead needs to considered as a whole, this looks to me to be a slightly improved solution for half the problem... very happy to be corrected. ![]() https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The whole concept of security is 'layers' anything that you fit can be defeated by any thief if he has the correct knowledge and tools.....nothing is undefeatable. These hinges as with any security device can be overcome with the correct method, tooling and technical acumen.
They're certainly better than nothing in my book! A Kryptonite lock through the bonnet is also better than nowt. What do you have currently as bonnet security? Instead of picking holes why not design something better perhaps, get a prototype made, poll for opinions, tweak the design if need be and make some money in the process? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2297 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks K9F
Layers...agree Better than nothing...agree Picking holes...disagree The idea of 'scrutiny' is to move the issue on...who knows someone might get it right. 'why not design something better perhaps, get a prototype made and make some money in the process?' Well as you asked, I am an industrial Designer and have this very issue halfway through my workshop. On completion I will post a picture of the installation, so that you, and others can see what a thief would see if they walked round my vehicle. Very happy at that point for any constructive observations... which is what I thought I was providing. SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It will indeed be interesting to see your prototype product. Are these going to be available or just a one off?
As mentioned and agreed the layered approach is best, I have a number of layers above standard each hopefully reaching the two minute guide and a sytem for recovery/disablement of the vehicle remotely. As the title suggests these hinges are 'anti-theft' are yours going to be 'theft proof?' Look forward to seeing and constructively viewing your own product. Good luck. ![]() Lifted originally from another forum..... If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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X4SKP Member Since: 29 Nov 2013 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2297 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hello K9F
Mine are currently viewed as a one off. 'Theft Proof' is a tough ask. Mine will be unusual / if not unique when viewed, therefore aiming to put off an attempt. If attempted the aim then is to slow down, inconvenience, surprises, etc, together with the requirement for specialised tools / probably even the requirement for a unique tool. the net of this is to hope the ![]() I agree, for most 'have a go' car thieves multiple aspects, that require the above, can only help. I have undertaken a Patent Search, so know what is currently filed (in Europe). I may put in an Application before disclosure, but commercially, my judgement currently, is that there's not much in it, despite the fact that all in if you have your bonnet stolen it's a 1K fix. SKIP https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html |
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dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 ![]() ![]() |
yes correct The hinges pivoting pin is retained by a grain from the bottom side, so you do not have screws from the outside. Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition ![]() IID Pro MV License |
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K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() If it's good enough there may be quite a demand for them. From a 'little earner' perspective I had a similar experience with a 'one off' intercooler grill I got made from 316 stainless and the demand 'took off.' Could be viable to perhaps consider 'throwing it out there' if it's a quality product maybe? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 ![]() ![]() |
Objectively, all you can steal.
The important thing is to choose solutions "cost effective", that causing loss of time to b@st@rds that take away our things paid by the sweat of our labor. .......or at least we try........ Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition ![]() IID Pro MV License |
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K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Daniele is Defender theft much of a problem in Italy? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 ![]() ![]() |
Bonnets, doors and wheels for resale in eastern Europe.
If they steal the whole car, will be dismantled and sold in pieces...... Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition ![]() IID Pro MV License |
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dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 ![]() ![]() |
Insurance for theft and a good tracker mounted DIY (without any presetted/default wiring diagram) are the best solutions Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582 ![]() ![]() |
'Theft Proof' is an impossible ask! Sad but true. The basic problem are our courts are a joke, giving out slapped wrists, telling them to be good boys and sending them out again basically to carry on being a scumbag and breeding scumbags. I personally believe that the longer scumbag criminal record is the longer/worst the punishment should be. Take a layered approach, ensure that some of your layers are overt so hopefully will put scumbags off, and some are covert to hopefully defeat scumbag and/or help in the recovery of your belongings. Do not let the thieving scumbags and the joke of a justice system grind you down too much. Brendan |
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rovinc Member Since: 13 Oct 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2 ![]() |
I would like to see this design as well. With a bonnet lock and better hinges I am hoping to deter theft when possible! |
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