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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142  
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not in a non-puma, dont believe so. the electrics is going to be an interesting project!
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5th Nov 2014 8:07pm |
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| MEJ999 Member Since: 25 Sep 2014 Location: Peebles Posts: 7
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Hi Mike, your spot on. I have worked out most of the mechanical side, but electrical is going to be very tricky. I am trying to find out if I can sort things so that the engine can operate as a stand alone unit and would love to hear from anybody who has achieved this.
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5th Nov 2014 8:15pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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do a search. theres a chap on here BAS? who has done it, but in a puma. It sounded like a very involved project. I believe its his creation in the landie mag last month or so.
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5th Nov 2014 8:18pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3347 
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What will you be doing with your old 200tdi?
 Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
Self confessed mileage hunter  |
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5th Nov 2014 8:22pm |
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| TooTall Member Since: 10 Jul 2012 Location: Fens Posts: 504 
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IIRC Big Steve did it with a puma
TT "Ease your worries, Clear-up your woes, Go into your garage & put stuff into rows." |
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5th Nov 2014 8:24pm |
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| Skeggy 90 Member Since: 07 Oct 2013 Location: Skeg Vegas Posts: 233  
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The 3.2 engines management is different to the puma Defenders as the throttle pedal is not hard wired to the engine ecu. It needs to communicate through canbus, It would be easier to use the entire Transit engine wiring harnesses, transponder, cluster, etc to get it to run, as the Defenders Puma wiring requires a lot of modifications and programming of the module to get it to run. I would advise you to keep clear of the stand alone ecu options unless you want the performance of a crop sprayer. Good luck as this is a massive undertaking. I would advise you to drive a 3.2 tdci Defender before starting this, as I would not fit one to my own car and I have driven a number of them.
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5th Nov 2014 8:24pm |
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| carrotbay Member Since: 18 Aug 2013 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 702 
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Just interested . . But what don't you like about a 3.2 ? 2008 Defender 110 XS SW - M57N2 / 6HP28X
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5th Nov 2014 8:28pm |
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| MEJ999 Member Since: 25 Sep 2014 Location: Peebles Posts: 7
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I am planning on using the Transit wiring harness if possible, rather than buying a Puma one. I have the engine harness from the engine and all of the Bulkhead/Dash from the Transit, including the ignition key, fuse boxes etc. I currently have it all laid out on my garage floor and once I have identified what wires I need to keep etc, I will trim down the loom. The major issues that I see are getting the ECU to function without lots of components such as ESP, ABS, Air bags, the CAN wires that run around the chassis have been cut, and obviously lots of other components that the Transit has connected into the loom. I also do not know what I am going to do about Dash clocks and lights, will Puma dials and lights work and fit into a old dash?
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5th Nov 2014 9:04pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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I dont think it would be my choice of engine to fit as the electronic side would be to much for the gain you get , I would opt for a older style engine with standard pump etc not electric injectors etc
heaven forbid even a older big jap engine |
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5th Nov 2014 9:12pm |
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| MEJ999 Member Since: 25 Sep 2014 Location: Peebles Posts: 7
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Reason for the 3.2 - I have driven a number of Transits with the engine in and I find them the most ausom engine and best performing engine that I have ever driven in a van, they just pull and pull. The torque at 470NM is fantastic and they pull from such low revs. Initially I thought that they used the MT82 gearbox so would mount straight up to the Puma box. However, I was wrong and have now bought a secondhand MT82 Puma box and going to have the back end fitted onto the Transit MT85. With regard to the electrics, I did underestimate the complexity.
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5th Nov 2014 9:19pm |
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| Skeggy 90 Member Since: 07 Oct 2013 Location: Skeg Vegas Posts: 233
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I personally think the 3.2 tdci engine feels lazy and seems reluctant to rev, the main problem is as the standard Puma gear ratios are so low you end up having to increase the gearing unless you want to pull away in 3rd gear. This compounds the problem even more, and if you increase it even more through the diff ratios it gets worse. Add to this the fact you are lucky to get 6000 miles out of a gearbox before it destroys itself. It is a shame as it looked like the perfect solution as an easy way to get more power but the conversion is far from easy with the necessary gearbox modifications, wiring and programming required. I personally don't think all that grief is worth it. The 3.2 has impressive torque from 1500 rpm but is far from a high performance engine,
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5th Nov 2014 9:30pm |
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| big steve Member Since: 24 Dec 2009 Location: hertfordshire Posts: 2456 
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Easy no great problem really I have sent you an email
Just to add the gearbox is the same in a transit and defender just different end casings and tbh I think the gears are slightly stronger in the defender box Steve 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs 3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit ashcroft atb in transfer box 6 speed auto in build |
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5th Nov 2014 9:37pm |
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| vito115 Member Since: 29 Aug 2012 Location: kent Posts: 29 |
The Rangers like that feels geared way to low, in the Transit (or mine) 100mph = 3000rpm & it still feels like it needs a 7th gear  mine has gone through one clutch/flywheel in 230k but still on original gearbox.
Biggest problem is trying to slow it down when fully freighted  |
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6th Nov 2014 8:39pm |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568 
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Over here we have the Ranger/ Mazda, however the Duromax seems to be more popular conversion.
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8th Nov 2014 3:35am |
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