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ChrisCM

Member Since: 10 Jun 2013
Location: Cornwall uk
Posts: 572

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Santorini Black

Building a workshop

Hi All,

I am fwd up having to fiddle with (maintain) my Defender in the wet so I want to build a simple, cheap, water tight shed/structure about 8x6m to do it in.
My problem is cladding. I envisage a simple frame of 100mm x 100mm uprights with 50mm x 100mm horizontal timbers but what to clad it with?, my options would appear to be timer shiplap or T & G, Corrugated/profiled steel or perhaps 19mm shuttering ply but all of these options are rather expensive, so can anybody suggest anything else?

thanks

Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black.

2nd Nov 2014 10:43am

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3443

There's the rub, materials aren't cheap anymore. I've spent many years building stables, garages and the like in timber and 4x4 studding(uprights) is a bit overkill, you can build a strong building using 75x47mm timber at 600mm centres with a sheet of OSB or 11mm ply on its side to give structural strength and keep things square. On the outside either shiplap or a rebated featheredge board(has a step rebated into the back which helps make it more weatherproof). Look at a Wickes catalogue for the rough cost of the framing timber and sheets, the cladding will roughly cost you £1.30 per linear metre then multiply it by how many boards it will take to rise up the wall, generally each board will gain height by 100mm, so 7' or 2.1 m will need at least 21 boards.
If you work out the amount you need add at least 10%, and get a quote from as many sawmills and merchants you can find.
Then the roof, that's going to be a large area, for me it would be a couple of trusses, probably 125x50 main timbers and 100x50 purlins with corrugated bitumen roof sheets laid on 15mm ply.
You'll be digging deep, have you thought about the marquee type structures? The cost of one of those would probably cost the same as doors for your timber garage!

2nd Nov 2014 11:28am

pob1968

Member Since: 20 Apr 2014
Location: uk
Posts: 239

What about a concrete sectional garage? a couple of grand would get a large one delivered and errected. 110 Hardtop

2nd Nov 2014 11:32am

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Costco have a 6m x12m marquee structure, even this has increased in price by over £100 in the past 12 months

http://www.costco.co.uk/view/product/uk_ca...4.1/140309

I couldn't give away a concrete garage earlier this year pob, had to end up dumping it!! 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - Gone
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

2nd Nov 2014 11:34am

jonny2tanx

Member Since: 06 Jul 2014
Location: Harpenden, Herts
Posts: 156

2005 Defender 110 Td5 XS CSW Alveston Red

Re: Building a workshop

ChrisCM wrote:
Hi All,

I am fwd up having to fiddle with (maintain) my Defender in the wet so I want to build a simple, cheap, water tight shed/structure about 8x6m to do it in.
My problem is cladding. I envisage a simple frame of 100mm x 100mm uprights with 50mm x 100mm horizontal timbers but what to clad it with?, my options would appear to be timer shiplap or T & G, Corrugated/profiled steel or perhaps 19mm shuttering ply but all of these options are rather expensive, so can anybody suggest anything else?

thanks

Chris

As I understand it 8 metres x 6 metres is well into building regs territory. I believe the maximum size to avoid building regs is 15 square metres which is nowhere near enough as a workshop - my shed come chicken coop is just under 15 square metres and wouldn't house a scale model of a Defender with all the stuff in it. It would need to be at least 1 metre from boundaries if built from wood, or it was when we built our summer house which was over 15 square metres and within a metre of the fence. The Building Control Manager at the local council told us we'd have to dismantle initially but we found a work around and it stayed.

The summerhouse is built from a 4x2 frame and the shed a 3x2 frame both covered in featheredge board and painted in Sikkens woodstain. The roof in the summerhouse is t and g, and the shed its osb, both covered in asphalt shingles. Both are watertight. Don't underestimate the cost as it soon adds up

2nd Nov 2014 1:17pm

Retroanaconda

Member Since: 04 Jan 2012
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2647

I've recently done just this. I had a concrete base already extant when I moved to this house so decided to build a workshop to fit it. The dimensions are 20' x 14'. I built it using 4"x 2" wall studding timber, with a 1/2" tongue and grooved cladding over the top. The roof trusses are also 4"x 2" (C16), I then put 2" x 2" purlins on and then a deck of 3/8" OSB - over the top of which a breather membrane was laid followed by bitumen-based corrugated sheeting. There's about 7'-6" of headroom inside below the truss ties, so plenty of height for the Defender plus roof rack if necessary and also allows for jacking it up.

Unfortunately I suffered a bit of a mishap with mine over the winter when bad timing saw the building fully clad and roof decked but no doors on and then we had a rather large storm - a 100mph wind straight in the open doorway was too much for the (admittedly inadequate) fixings into the slab and the whole thing took off like a kite and landed in the field next door. Happily though it is now rebuilt with the doors put on and some more substantial fixings into the concrete.

Cost wise you're looking at a coupe of grand easily as a minimum, unless you can get the materials cheap for some reason. It's also amazing how much you spend on bits like paint, ironmongery for doors/windows, guttering etc. etc.

See the trials and tribulations of my build here:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=85849

2nd Nov 2014 9:09pm

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Hello ChrisCM

Good to do what you can...

http://www.petrolicious.com/12-gauge-garage?rel=1234567

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2nd Nov 2014 9:55pm

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

Yeah,concrete section,timber prices went thru the roof after the Japanese Tsunami,I have a Compton concrete garage, a friend has Hanson garage which is nowhere near as good as mine and he wasn't impressed with their customer service either. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

2nd Nov 2014 11:08pm

ChrisCM

Member Since: 10 Jun 2013
Location: Cornwall uk
Posts: 572

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the input, as I thought there's really no cheap way is there?

I thought about the marquee/tent type "garages" but I don't think they would survive the winds where I live!

I"ll look into sectional garages, I already have one as a smaller workshop, but I had to line it with chipboard and re-roof it with steel cladding which I then insulated with 50mm polystyrene to make it habitable.

Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black.

2nd Nov 2014 11:41pm

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6769

What about a shipping container?

3rd Nov 2014 12:26am

Stavvy

Member Since: 01 Nov 2014
Location: Nr Bristil
Posts: 13

For cladding try cedral weatherboard or hardiplank

http://www.marleyeternit.co.uk/Facades/Wea...board.aspx

http://www.jameshardie.co.uk/hardieplank-cladding

Unsure if the links will work...

3rd Nov 2014 7:11am

Landlord

Member Since: 27 Oct 2009
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 582

This might give you inspiration

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/garage-...condo.html 2007 TD5 90 Hard Top

3rd Nov 2014 8:04am

ChrisCM

Member Since: 10 Jun 2013
Location: Cornwall uk
Posts: 572

mk1collector wrote:
What about a shipping container?

To narrow, 8ft, not enough room to get around the vehicle, but am thinking of a 20ft one for storage!

Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black.

3rd Nov 2014 11:04am

ChrisCM

Member Since: 10 Jun 2013
Location: Cornwall uk
Posts: 572

Hi Guys,

I've contacted some builders merchants re the fibre cement boards, just waiting for them to get back to me for a square metre price.

As for inspiration Landlord, I think I would have to win the lottery - but then it may come behind the private plane, yacht, 5 litre Defender etc etc.

Chris 2010 Defender 110 Station Wagon, Santorini Black.

3rd Nov 2014 11:34am

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

mk1collector has a point...

For a few K these can be purchased, and depending on your geography, for a few hundred £ they can be delivered.

You just need to prepare a base / hard standing area, and depending on your level of 'have a go' / skill set,
you could do a 'cut and shut' job on two (or more)... may be worth a think

I visited a farm earlier this year where two were placed around 4Ms apart, and a roof spanned across for a
covered area. Quad bikes and powered hand tools were stored in the containers... security was the first
issue here, but both containers had been finished with shiplap cladding and the end result was very good.

I don't have photos but this is the sort of thing...

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/127578601918838421/

http://www.pinterest.com/pin/26247610303687430/ SKIP
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3rd Nov 2014 11:51am

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