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Howard650

Member Since: 25 Aug 2014
Location: York
Posts: 14

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Puma Gearchange

Hi All

I realise I will be potentially castigated for this but I feel I should share

As I posted before with my new to me 2012 puma I had been having the old gear change problems. Well today I thought I would have a run over to my local approved Land Rover Dealer and get myself associated with them. As I was their I asked for one of the Mechanics to have a quick run and give me his opinion. He quickly told me that he thought their was not enough Clutch travel in his opinion. After removing the Land rover rubber mats which the dealer had thoughtfully fitted when I bought it the difference in gear change was a revelation.

The Mechanic told me that recently one defender owner has had two clutches replaced for the same reason. Each time he brought his defender in without the mats and it was only when they asked if used mats that the reason became apparent.

I realise I may look a bit foolish but I thought I would post in any case, hope this helps someone at least!

9th Oct 2014 9:53pm

Phil VM2.5

Member Since: 28 Mar 2012
Location: Limelette
Posts: 196

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Hi,
thanks for the story even if incredible !
Phil current : defender 110 sw 2.2 puma 2012 and 230.000km today and
again my Range Rover VM2.5 engine from 1992 and 528.000km today.

One ten 1988 to 1992
1987 BMW GS80
One Ten from 1984 to 1987
One Ten from 1983 to 1984
Serie 3 109 from 1980 to 1983
from 1974 Jeep CJ3B and CJ6

10th Oct 2014 5:43am

JustStarting

Member Since: 02 Sep 2014
Location: Dorset
Posts: 146

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Barolo Black

Glad I read this today

I have the heavy duty rubber mats in mine on top of the standard carpet mats. I know know why the clutch travel is so restricted!! MY2015 110 Urban Truck Expedition Spec
2005 Td5 TwinCab
1998 110 CSW 300tdi

11th Oct 2014 9:54am

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Hello Howard650

You are right, thanks for posting a 'brave' observation.

I have seen this before, at my local independent, where Defenders that have 'Matted Up'
(or changed / added Carpet in an attempt to quieten things down) then experienced Gear change issues...
and the dots have not been joined up.

This can also easily result if an acoustic sound block material is used in the footwell... as well

Click image to enlarge

I have the standard LR Carpets, then a closed cell neoprene liner, then the Defender Mat and my Clutch Pedal just makes contact when fully depressed. (on its lower edge) but fully activates the clutch before this point.

This is definitely something to be aware of, as the clutch wares and the pick up or disengage point slowly changes.

I plan a Dynamat Sound Proofing exercise soon, and will have to be careful in this area.

On a standard set up, Carpets + LR OEM Mats there shouldn't be an issue... but maybe there is

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Last edited by X4SKP on 11th Oct 2014 12:58pm. Edited 1 time in total

11th Oct 2014 12:11pm

captain slow

Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: Herts
Posts: 355

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Corris Grey

time to get the scissors out to trim the mat around the clutch?? 2.2 Tdci 110 XS CSW Corris Grey
Prince Harry's D3 (gone but not forgotten)
300 Tdi 110 CSW (gone but not forgotten)

11th Oct 2014 12:18pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5109

2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green

The same thing can happen to the throttle / accelerator pedal resulting in a rarely achievable full throttle

11th Oct 2014 12:40pm

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

...better check the Throttle at the same time captain slow

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11th Oct 2014 1:02pm

captain slow

Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: Herts
Posts: 355

2.2 Tdci 110 XS CSW Corris Grey
Prince Harry's D3 (gone but not forgotten)
300 Tdi 110 CSW (gone but not forgotten)

11th Oct 2014 1:21pm

Macpaul

Member Since: 25 Mar 2013
Location: SW Surrey
Posts: 439

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Loire Blue

captain slow wrote:
time to get the scissors out to trim the mat around the clutch??

Isn't there an adjustable rod in the clutch master-cylinder box that would avoid the need to do this? 2003 Td5 110 Hardtop
Now a 2013 110 USW too.

11th Oct 2014 1:34pm

Howard650

Member Since: 25 Aug 2014
Location: York
Posts: 14

I have the standard carpet and the OEM Mats and it was enough to restrict the clutch travel. As Captain Slow suggested I just snipped out the corner of the mat. Certainly has made a big difference.

Glad this post seems to have helped!

11th Oct 2014 7:57pm

Howard650

Member Since: 25 Aug 2014
Location: York
Posts: 14

Found these pictures on another post regarding the shape of mats fitted.

The first one is an image of the "New" shaped mats with the corner missing which would allow full travel on the clutch:-

Click image to enlarge

The second image shows the older square type mats as fitted by the dealer in my 2.2 which caused the fouling. Looks like it was a case of the dealer fitting the wrong mats maybe?

Click image to enlarge

11th Oct 2014 9:22pm

bear100

Member Since: 22 Mar 2010
Location: South Wales
Posts: 1913

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

A bit off topic

but I had a new 2011 Range Rover sport, after the usual haggling with the dealer had a new set of rubber matts, unknown to the dealer the MY2010 mats and earlier must not be fitted to the later models, when the accelerator is pressed hard the mat traps in the peddle

a very scary moment. After a hard chat with the dealer I came away with champagne, new matts and discount servicing

2016 Range Rover Autobiography 4.4 TDV8
2010 110 XS Utility 2.4TDCI
2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 (gone)
2007 Discovery HSE TDV6 (gone)
1993 110 csw 200 tdi (gone)
1994 90 HT 300 tdi (gone)
1994 discovery 300tdi (gone)
90 hybrid 3.5 v8 (gone)
Range rover bobtail 3.5 v8 (gone)

12th Oct 2014 7:10am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Cut the bottom of the pedal off

12th Oct 2014 7:42am

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

Macpaul wrote:
captain slow wrote:
time to get the scissors out to trim the mat around the clutch??

Isn't there an adjustable rod in the clutch master-cylinder box that would avoid the need to do this?

the master cyl rod shouldn't be touched as adjusting can result in clutch not releasing completely causing bearing failure
also not getting proper movement of the pedal causing less movement of the piston in the cyl causing clutch drag

the pedal needs to be resting on the top stop then cyl rod has to be right out and have a couple of mm free play before pedal pushes the cyl piston

it has to be set in the right place and left alone

12th Oct 2014 7:58am

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Checked my MY2013 and I have the full mat as shown on the left. Mt clutch goes fully to the floor with the mat fitted and the factory fitted sound proofing with no issues.

13th Oct 2014 6:21pm

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