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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: CĂ´te d'Azur Posts: 865   
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By the same simplistic logic, nobody would be killed by joyriders if cars were banned...
Peter Edited after the last post to add: Questionable? Absolutely insane! |
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30th Aug 2014 2:24pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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Not too sure that is an effective analogy, as we have laws banning nine years old from driving, we have no law in our constitution saying that all nine years olds have the right to keep and drive a car. Nevertheless following this logic if a driving instructor was to allow a nine year old girl under instruction to drive a Maserati MC12 or Lamborghini Huracán Super Trofeo and in doing so the girl crashed the car killing the said instructor, I would no doubt feel the same. |
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30th Aug 2014 2:47pm |
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| GUM97 Member Since: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3555  
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It really does shock me that gun laws haven't been tightened in the US! An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948"  |
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30th Aug 2014 2:48pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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 (although wildly innappropriate) Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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30th Aug 2014 3:42pm |
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| Grouse Member Since: 16 Apr 2012 Location: on the hill Posts: 521 |
Guns are not the problem here, there is one person responsible for this, the gun range instructor.
The parents obviously didn't know any better - but he should have. Anybody with any experience of firearms and an ounce of common sense knows how a machine gun handles under recoil - they are almost impossible to handle on full auto and fly high and wide. An adult would have difficulty controlling it never mind a 9 year old girl. The instructor was a fool - that's it plain and simple and he should have known better. It's people like this that give responsible gun owners a bad name. There is nothing wrong teaching children responsible gun handling and there are appropriate and safe sporting guns to do this with. Assault weapons and especially an UZI on full auto is not the gun to do it with. |
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30th Aug 2014 4:12pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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^^
 Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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30th Aug 2014 6:16pm |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
That is part of the problem, "common sense is not so common" - Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764).You may not have criminal intent,but an idiot with a gun can be just as dangerous.IMO, you don't need firearms experience to know that giving a high powered gun to a child is no-no, "common sense" will tell you that. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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30th Aug 2014 6:48pm |
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| Grouse Member Since: 16 Apr 2012 Location: on the hill Posts: 521 |
Exactly
 the gun range instructor was obviously totally brain dead then - as he obviously had experience of firearms AND assault weapons working at a gun range - he just couldn't translate the experience into coming sense |
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30th Aug 2014 8:11pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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... Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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30th Aug 2014 9:03pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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I just wanted to add my bit:
Back in the early 1980s I managed to spend one day at a gun club. I got to use a Colt 45 and found it exiting and strange (having that awesome power in your hand). When the gun ban came, I opposed it (by petition). I now think I was wrong. There is no place for guns - unless you kill stuff to eat it (and even then you don't need to do that, as it's in Sainsburys, you know). The young girl will be affected by that for the rest of her life. She has brain-dead parents, and the instructor was a complete idiot. Just imagine how she feels - what she saw in the seconds after. Imagine what an Uzi does to a soft human head at point blank range. I feel so sorry for her, she may not ever have a normal life. Now, to all those who are purple-faced at the idea of someone coming on here opposing guns, and suggesting that they go to Sainsburys rather than killing their own stuff, just think of this... Imagine, for a second, that guns had not been invented until, say a year ago. Do you believe, in your wildest dreams, that ANY government, ANYWHERE, would allow them to become things that ordinary citizens could use? The idea is absurd. Even if someone had recently invented the gun, it would be a military-only thing, for sure. If I had my way I would ban ALL guns, including shotguns. I've seen a farmer wielding one while staring at me, I've worked for people who had an immediate family member (again, a farmer) kill himself with one. Certainly, the farmers I have had contact with are not the sort of people I would give a gun to! The idea of a small machine, quite capable of killing a human from a distance, being allowed anywhere near an average member of the public scares me - knowing, as I do, the intelligence of the average member of the public. We all have our views, and that's mine. Now left. |
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31st Aug 2014 8:46am |
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| jerseyman Member Since: 21 Jul 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 279 |
Surely the right to bear arms should exclude automatic weapons, have rifles and pistols if needed, but IMHO if a citizen feels he/she needs to own an assault rifle then they are living in a failed society?
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31st Aug 2014 10:12am |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
"but IMHO if a citizen feels he/she needs to own an assault rifle then they are living in a failed society?"
/\/\/\THIS! As the old, well worn saying goes,"you get the society you deserve". Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5. |
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31st Aug 2014 10:54am |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092 
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I think we should be able to have guns....
why not? just because we don't need to kill people, we/people should still be able to have guns and shoot them (on ranges/our own land/at vermin etc) if we so wish. Take landrovers/4x4's.... should they be banned because there's no real reason to drive from A to B on a muddy track when there's thousands of miles of perfectly maintained tarmac that also goes from A to B Motorbikes... why should people be able to nip in and out of traffic and accelerate from 0-60 in sub 3 seconds, when the speed limit is 30/50/70 etc.... lets ban them too... Just because some mad people go on rampages with weapons shouldn't mean everyone else gets the shtty end of the stick and loses their fun/interest etc. As said, people kill, not the guns. If someone is driving a car and runs people down, the car didn't do it of its own accord. |
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31st Aug 2014 4:07pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2658 
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^^^^^^^
Wheres the like button. If we decided to remove from modern society every item that could possibly be used to kill another human or animal then we'd have nothing to do. And I'd of had to find a real job for the last 24 yrs I was serving Queen and Country. People need to wake up and realise that it's people that kill people not guns, cars, tasers sharp bananas. If I could justify a gun, then I'd buy 1 tomorrow. And yes I would like an assault rifle. Why?? Because I can. I've spent some time in some horrible places in the world and having a rifle on my arm gives me a sense of safety and reassurance. The last 2 summers I have been in Afghan as a civvy (spit) contractor. Being there with no weapon isn't nice. Especially with the insider threat. Thats why we had guardian angels in some circumstances. I would of preferred to have my own weapon rather than rely on someone else to keep me safe 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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31st Aug 2014 4:41pm |
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