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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20359 |
Yes, it will still make a difference. If they are anything like the Puma's EGR's then they are an utter pain to mess with. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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19th Apr 2013 9:48am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17378 |
Yes, definitely. I de-EGRed my TD5 Disco after I'd had it for about 4 years (which was bout 80k miles) and immediately wished I'd done it on day 1!
There are various ways to de-EGR the TD5 but it is definitely worth removing the EGR valve body and replacing it with a plain pipe (as suplied in all the kits) rather than simply knobbling it so that it doesn't operate. If you have the EGR cooler fitted to the front of the block (fitted to the later engines) you can if you wish leave it in situ to avoid having to make any coolant plumbing changes. I used a D44 kit on mine and it took less than an hour to fit. |
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19th Apr 2013 10:00am |
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Bev Member Since: 03 Apr 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 267 |
It's a 2002 model So not sure on what bits I have and don't have. Will take a picture later and hopefully someday wiser than me will post up what the best solution is
Sounds like even after 10 years of operation it's a no brainier to remove it. Time to go searching for a kit now |
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19th Apr 2013 10:40am |
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Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 |
Without looking like i'm spamming...
I offer a proper EGR removal kit - with everything needed to remove the full system properly. With proper blanking caps - not the use of rivet like other peoples kits! If you are wondering what the EGR does... What is the EGR and what does it do?? EGR or Exhaust Gas Recirculation. As its name suggests, the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system allows a controlled amount of spent exhaust gas back into the air intake of the engine. On both Td5 and 300Tdi this is controlled by the vehicle ECU (Tdi has a standalone ECU for the EGR). The purpose of recirculating a percentage of the exhaust gas is to reduce nitrous oxide emissions and combustion noise, recirculating a percentage of exhaust gas reduces the combustion temperature and slows down the fuel burn rate - which leads to reduced emissions, but also reduces performance. Although the EGR only works at certain part load conditions, removing it completely makes a marked difference in performance, and will possibly also lead to improved mpg. Why should I remove it?? As mentioned above, removing the EGR system completely will usually make a difference to performance, and can lead to improved mpg - however that is only part of the story. When the EGR system works correctly, then it should only operate at part load, part throttle conditions - i.e. the times when you, as the driver, shouldn't notice its operation. But this isn't always the case. On both 300Tdi and Td5's it is very common for the solenoid valve to become clogged internally, which prevents it from sealing correctly. When this happens, performance and MPG will be substantially impaired... it is also very bad for the engine. If the percentage of EGR is too high, rapid engine wear (bore wear) will rapidly occur. The EGR gas will also soot/clog up the inlet manifold as shown in the pictures below. On Td5's this can cause problems with the MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor. Looking at it from another point of view, removing the EGR basically means there is one less thing to go wrong!! You should also remove the EGR if you regularly use high Sulpher diesel (in the UK, all diesel is low Sulpher) Does it cause any problems at MOT time?? The current 2010 MOT system for Diesel (i.e. compression ignition) vehicles only requires an Opacity test, (i.e. smoke) and not an actual emissions test as per petrol (spark ignition engine). The EGR system (and the catalytic converter for that matter) does not actively affect smoke…. This differs from a diesel particulate filter (which is also exempt from testing at the current time). The only requirement is that the max smoke value for a turbo charged diesel is a mean (of the last 3 smoke tests) not exceeding 3.00m-1. For an initial 'fast pass' the smoke value must be below 1.50m-1. In simple terms.... the only reason a modern diesel have CATs and EGR (along with other things) is to enable a manufacturer to meet the current EU legislation (for example EU4/5), but once a vehicle model has been type approved, and sold to the customer... the customer is technically free to do what they like regarding emissions, as long as they meet the requirements of their country, which in the UK is just the MOT test. Taken from my website Ian IRB The home of the first modified Keswick Green 90 - and the first 2.4 Puma through both the 200bhp and 550Nm barriers. www.IRBdevelopments.com www.facebook.com/irbdevelopments www.integrated316.com www.facebook.com/integrated316 |
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19th Apr 2013 10:59am |
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Bev Member Since: 03 Apr 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 267 |
It looks like your whole website is down at the moment so I can't buy anything there
I have a look around for a kit now it seems sensible to make the changes even after all this time. Cheers |
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19th Apr 2013 3:51pm |
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borderterrier Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1677 |
I did my old TD5 and it did appear to make a difference, not to fuel consumption but it did to the way it pulled. Don't buy a cheap blanking kit, they warp.
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19th Apr 2013 4:02pm |
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adafish Member Since: 30 Mar 2009 Location: atherstone Posts: 1382 |
......not down, just under development.... Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull.. |
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19th Apr 2013 6:01pm |
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Bev Member Since: 03 Apr 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 267 |
Well Tool of the Year award possibly goes to myself. Upon removing the Engine cover I'm confronted with the below:
Click image to enlarge Guess that means someone beat me to removing the EGR then... it has D44 stamped on the insert. Also the Blank seems to have been applied on the end of this cooler and not the exhaust side? Click image to enlarge Need to find out what else has been done to the 90 before I commit time to tinkering so its booked in to Strathearn on Wednesday for a good going over. Out of interest what bolts in to here on the engine? Looks like some empty mounts. Apologies for the stupid question. Could not think what to "search" for on the forum. Click image to enlarge |
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21st Apr 2013 3:56pm |
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mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 |
I think that space is for an ac comp
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21st Apr 2013 4:41pm |
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diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092 |
It is. |
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21st Apr 2013 4:46pm |
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Bev Member Since: 03 Apr 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 267 |
Thanks guys, I don't have AC as I thought that was what the windows for for
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21st Apr 2013 5:46pm |
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K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 |
Expanding on what Porny stated here's some info Dgardel posted from three years ago.......
If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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21st Apr 2013 6:35pm |
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adafish Member Since: 30 Mar 2009 Location: atherstone Posts: 1382 |
good job it never got sent then Chris....its all in box waiting too... Putting Dreams on Drives at JLR Solihull..
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21st Apr 2013 6:45pm |
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Bev Member Since: 03 Apr 2013 Location: Perthshire Posts: 267 |
That will teach me to check first ah well some more money spare for other projects.
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21st Apr 2013 6:55pm |
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