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| Tiger Member Since: 06 Jul 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2265  
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Transits have it
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19th Feb 2014 11:36pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907 
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When I ordered my 110 van last December for delivery in early March this year, the dealer told me it would have ABS and traction control as standard, so there was no need to include it as an optional extra. He also said that was why the RRP had gone up a bit for the 2014MY.
Was he wrong? |
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20th Feb 2014 6:39am |
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| Tiger Member Since: 06 Jul 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2265
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Guess you'll find out next month.
But I think it's an option  |
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20th Feb 2014 7:07am |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585  
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All my14 defenders have abs as standard apart from 130.
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20th Feb 2014 7:37am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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Yep know that  
My point is DSC requires (in addition to what you mentioned):- yaw rate, longitudinal and lateral acceleration, vehicle speed, engine speed, throttle position, brake pedal position/force and steering angle. As far as I am aware (I could be wrong) the current model can monitor the following:- vehicle speed, engine speed, throttle position, individual wheel speed (with ABS) and brake on or off (not brake force). So The yaw rate, this would involve the fitting of height sensors, one on each corner. Longitudinal and lateral acceleration forces would be a simple box of electrics. A steering angle sensor will have to be fitted to the steering column. The D3, D4, FFRR and RRS also have the ability to 'sort' the suspension when the DSC kicks in. Is the 15MY going to have this as well? This would require air suspension or some sort of lever system so stop vehicle roll. This all seems a lot of work if the vehicle is going out of production. If they are going to fit all of the above, lets hope that they produce lots of parts as I can imaging quite a few people will want to 'up grade' their existing vehicles. A Defender with DSC....... unless you can turn it off say good bye to play days. |
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20th Feb 2014 8:14am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Just watch now as that production end dates gets shoved further and further back, just as has been the case for the past twenty years...This does sound like an awful lot of work for just a few months production, they would have seen this coming years ago, so something isn't right here. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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20th Feb 2014 8:22am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708
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I totally agree with you (for once)
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20th Feb 2014 8:33am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17451 
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Totally agree. I wouldn't mind betting that it is an EU requirement for some form of DSC to be fitted from 2015, and therefore it has to be fitted in order to continue production to the end. If it is a legal requirement then it is possible that the minimum technical requirement is for a simpler system that that which we have come to consider normal. We shall see. |
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20th Feb 2014 8:39am |
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| rtm89 Member Since: 14 May 2013 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 255 
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The 2015MY 130 will be available with ABS for the first time too. So I hear...
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20th Feb 2014 9:35am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708
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Yep its been on the cards for some time
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20th Feb 2014 10:22am |
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| Porny Site Sponsor Member Since: 31 Aug 2009 Location: Sutton Coldfield - West Midlands Posts: 809 
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2.2 Defender already has a Yaw Sensor fitted.... IRB
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20th Feb 2014 10:40am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611 
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There's been a considerable spend by JLR on keeping Defender both compliant with the rules and updating trim. There is investment required in the specification and tooling for new seat coverings, new keys, new alarm system, Euro V engine, DEFENDER bonnet badge etc etc. There's a very large investment required to implement a DSC system, not just piece cost of fitting the parts - the calibration of the system is complex and requires a fair few engineer-years to do.
Certainly doesn't tally (to me) with a vehicle completely at the end of its life.  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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20th Feb 2014 12:58pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708
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IRB
Can you tell us where its located? and why does it have one? |
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20th Feb 2014 1:00pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6611
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Bah, you edited that, I was about to post a hilarious reply about the bonnet badge and it's on the front and blah blah blah
 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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20th Feb 2014 1:05pm |
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