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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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Don't rate your 'specialists' much, what rubbish...... 
 If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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10th Feb 2014 9:45am |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: CĂ´te d'Azur Posts: 864  
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“I heard it's kind of like a through away and buy a new one type of engine”
Aren’t all modern vehicle engines designed and built that way - the Duratec in one of my cars most certainly is. Materials and oil technology have improved to such an extent that there should be no structural failure during the life of the vehicle, assembly by robots means that tolerances are strictly adhered to, the days of reconditioning crankshafts and fitting appropriate shells, reboring cylinders and replacing piston rings, valve seat regrinding etc. are long gone. Manufacturer/Government policy seems to be that by the time the engine’s knackered, the whole vehicle will have reached the end of its working life and not meet current technical and emission standards, so should be scrapped. Now where can I buy a replacement kettle element and that little gasket? Peter |
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10th Feb 2014 3:25pm |
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| Jonno Member Since: 06 Mar 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 234 
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I heard that the 2.4 is basically a throw away lump too. Sadly I think the days of re-buildable automotive engines are long gone. I heard that Ford don't supply internal parts such as oversize pistons etc for the Puma, but strangely they might be available from Land Rover. Even if they are I still wouldn't say they are quality re buildable engines. Camshafts running directly in the head etc all shout throw away. However the good news is all things being equal I'd expect 250,000 miles before the throw away stage is reached,providing the injection system doesn't fail and become uneconomic to repair before then.
Sadly this is not just the case with "cheap" engines, lots of Audi, BMW and Porsche engines don't even have cast iron cylinder liners cast into the alloy blocks now, simply relying on a hard faced non reborable coating, designed to last the life of the car then to the scrapper. Always an excuse to sling a V8 in when the Pumas die though... Jonno Last edited by Jonno on 10th Feb 2014 8:56pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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10th Feb 2014 7:02pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2751
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its a good engine though, the puma (both 2.2 and 2.4)
remember its been fitted in transits, mondeos, focuses, ford rangers etc etc for much of the last decade... if its good enough for a white van man then its good enough for a defender! the thing that worries me (as with every defender ever) is the clutch/gearbox/diffs/propshafts/UJs etc.. the engine seems fine to me. Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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10th Feb 2014 8:01pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873 
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People who buy used (often 80-100k mile) Duratecs for kitcars or conversions often report no visible or measurable signs of wear and then go on to add bolt-on performance and drive them harder than ever. You hear nowadays that mass produced, everyday cars are designed for 300,000 Kms with nothing more than serviceable items. Even then it's suspension bushes, wheel bearing and engine ancillaries that pack up first. All the magazines talk of no Puma engine failures (in Land Rovers) and there are thousands of Transits out there racking up more miles than I ever will. Reckon people changing Pumas will be doing it because they fancy a change rather than needing to. |
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10th Feb 2014 8:04pm |
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| milesr3 Member Since: 12 Feb 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 873
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10th Feb 2014 9:33pm |
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| redhandluke Member Since: 02 Jun 2013 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 243 
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Have to agree with David and Milesr. I have run Transits, 2.2 and 2.4 for the last 7 years and still have a fleet of 2.2s. NEVER had an engine or gearbox failure in any of them. They do like and benefit from more regular than scheduled oil and fuel filter changes. Oldest one had 220k miles still on original clutch and going well before I changed it for a 140 sportvan. Wouldn't drive or trust anything else.
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10th Feb 2014 9:38pm |
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