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22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 |
A side opening full-width door would seem to be the most sensible option, and that is what the DC100 had. A split tailgate is not such a great idea unless it is engineered very well, the old type on series vehicle was cack to be honest, I have it on the back of my 109" and it is a total pain in the backside, I only keep it as that is the original spec of the vehicle. The back end of the disco 1 & 2 is about how a new Defender back end should be, but perhaps with the spare wheel mounted more centrally. An internal spare wheel mounting also ought to be an option on hard tops as a security measure, again, like in the old days where that was actually the standard location - bonnet and rear door were optional on utilities, but obviously station wagons could not have the internal mount. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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16th Nov 2013 10:49pm |
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Brucemknx Member Since: 17 Nov 2013 Location: Kununurra Posts: 44 |
Hi Olli, There are certainly a lot of threads on the net as you say. I like this one. It has a comprehensive list of wants which I agree with... http://www.l2sfbc.com/rmp/blog/land-rover-...lable-2015 And unlike many, I don't think the DC100 was all bad. Proper rims and tyres and a suspension lift would do a lot to please the faithful. Cheers, Bruce. |
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17th Nov 2013 6:19pm |
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Olli Member Since: 15 Nov 2013 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 10 |
Hi Bruce,
I did come across that article and I actually think it is one of the better ones out there. Quite insightful from an overlander's perspective. However at the same time I found that to be its limiting factor. It focuses on how the Defender shold be equipped for overlanding and less on what it needs to be for all round everyday use. Nevertheless, still a well-written and thought thru article. |
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17th Nov 2013 7:07pm |
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Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3784 |
As we have yet to receive our first Defender, I'm not really qualified to speak.
However, I would have to say that a 2.2L engine with just 90kw, (yes, I know 360nm isn't bad), is simply not enough in today's market when compared with the opposition. I feel that a 3/3.5L V6 Diesel with around 200KW & 550/600Nm wouldn't be hard to source, infact JLR probably has something like this already. Maybe a bit more soundproofing, & yes, with the sort of power I'm talking, an auto option would be good. I'm totally relaxed with the external appearance,...in fact, I love it. Cheers, Pickles. |
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17th Nov 2013 9:08pm |
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Interlet Member Since: 10 Oct 2011 Location: Norwich Posts: 461 |
Less and less alli because it's too expensive, and new buyers want cheap. Door skins are steel, rear door is steel, I expect several other things are steel as well now days... 1998 110 300Tdi White Hard Top |
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17th Nov 2013 11:40pm |
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Orangeboy Member Since: 24 Sep 2013 Location: Uk Posts: 48 |
Are the steel door skins a cost saving or an attempt to stop the corrosion that nearly all of us have on the doors
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18th Nov 2013 7:50am |
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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
The new steel rear door was certainly billed as solving an age old structural problem. Not sure about the reasoning behind the side doors but the reality is that being steel does helpfully avoid the issue of bi-metallic corrosion. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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18th Nov 2013 8:19am |
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ppad Member Since: 16 Nov 2012 Location: now, UK S Coast Posts: 223 |
The thing is, what it won’t be is beam axles and ladder chassis with lightweight bolt on panels and a roof that crushes if you roll the vehicle.
So irrespective of the exterior looks, it will not be a Defender in concept. Has JLR talked to the MoD at any stage in the design to see if it could meet lightweight military needs? I doubt it! So, it will not be in the slightest suitable for agricultural or modifiable for semi- military situations. It will be of course suitable for UK green lanes – but not more. In other words, it will be a road car, that meets EU and US incredibly stringent regulations… it may even be designed with an electric option in mind in the future. I would dearly love to see JLR make a car that could also be a useful vehicle in the next Falklands .. but . I cannot see it. (I was 20+ years in Oz. My 300tdi hicap we slid a SS 70l water tank onto the chassis, added a second pair of rear shocks, a 60l fuel tank under the drivers seat, a roll cage.. etc Sadly, the new defender will not be so easily prepared for a trip) Sold the much modified 110 2.8, in Oz Brought the 90 home from Switzerland ... |
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18th Nov 2013 2:11pm |
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Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2755 |
don't be so cynical.
i think that Land Rover & the world know what it needs to be. the toyota land cruiser/nissan patrol/hilux etc aren't exactly so simple either but do well. I think it will be the best 4x4 LR have ever made, certainly they know it has to be at least as good as previous in every way and I'm sure it will be. sure it won't quite be 'bolt together' like the current probably, but you don't see that being a problem fitting snorkels/tanks/protection/lighting etc to other vehicles! I'm fairly excited really, just DONT WANT it to be too electrical or too modern looking, anything which would make it 'show its age' in the future, like the current one doesn't! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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18th Nov 2013 4:43pm |
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tookaphotoof Member Since: 18 Mar 2013 Location: dordrecht Posts: 1279 |
A 36 megapixel camera doesn't mean it necessarily outperforms a 24 megapixel camera but people only judge by a couple of numbers in the specifications. |
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18th Nov 2013 4:54pm |
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Olli Member Since: 15 Nov 2013 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 10 |
People, I have just posted some rough sketches: http://defender15.blogspot.nl/
Fire away! Olli |
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22nd Nov 2013 10:48pm |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
Olli, nice blog You should be hired by the Land Rover "think tank". You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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23rd Nov 2013 4:55am |
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22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149 |
The drawings are without doubt very interesting, and have some appealing ideas. I am not sure which I would prefer, but I like the idea of the fully exposed spare wheel. This is as much for aesthetics as due to the act I don't fancy having to lift one out of a pouch in the event of a puncture, the existing setup is difficult enough when it comes straight off... 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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23rd Nov 2013 9:06am |
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JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443 |
I can see potential with a "pouch" spare wheel carrier. When in normal use opens with the door then ehen spare is needed, opens independantly exposing the inside of the spare which is attached to the "carrier" by a lifting mechanism/winch etc that would lower the spare to the floor and be capable of lifting one back into place. In this day of H&S a viable option methinks.
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23rd Nov 2013 10:39am |
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