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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609   
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From all my research of springs and suspension I think you'll find putting a spring lift in will give a harsher on road ride. Most of the aftermarket extended height coils were a higher rate and strictly linear over the progressive standard coils or the heavy duty coils from LR. I'm also not a big fan of lifting the Defender as I believe they have good clearance anyway.
I have a winch and heavy steal front bar on my Puma with heavy duty LR front coils and still have the standard rear coils. I need to change these out as they are to soft for towing my camper trailer but haven't decided what with yet as I don't want a harsh ride. What I have done is replace the shocks with Koni Raid 90 series. This has changed the on road stability to almost car like. The body roll has vanished and off road is the same. On sealed roads I'm finding I can corner about 20% faster than before. These are very expensive shocks, but well worth it IMO. 110 2.4TDCi 110 300Tdi 
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24th Jan 2010 11:45am |
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| discocuzzy Member Since: 16 Jul 2008 Location: surrey Posts: 1200 
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Cedwat as DM has stated...i put 40mm springs on mine but i have a patriot rack, winch and winch bumper drawer system and rooftent, the standard set up was a bit under load when everything was on the vehicle.
Just taken the rack off to tint the windows and the ride is quite harsh, no role mind but i need the weight of the rack to get it nice again. You cannot teach stupid people to do clever things |
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24th Jan 2010 1:31pm |
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| Cedwat Member Since: 18 Jan 2010 Location: North Posts: 22  
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So you mean a lift will get my ride harder which is the opposite of my purpose.
I thought the procomp 9000 were the exception. But is it all BS marketing ? |
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24th Jan 2010 1:54pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092  
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I have 255's on my 110, with factory springs. (albiet HD front and rears, but they only give an inch or so lift) and these tyres clear the arches, no rubbing, and the best bit....
.... it drives in a straight line! when i had one of my 90's, i had about a 4" lift, and it was terrible; i had to change the radius arms, then get a double CV propfhaft because of the axle rotation, then get longer brake lines, and extended bump stops, it never ended, and at the end of the day, it still handled like a wheelbarrow full of water. I lowered it all back down (with an OME HD spring setup, so it was still maybe 1.5" higher than factory) and all was well again, drove better, the steering self centered again... bliss!   |
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24th Jan 2010 3:13pm |
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| Cedwat Member Since: 18 Jan 2010 Location: North Posts: 22
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4" is more than 10 cm and 1,5 " is next to 5 cm. You mean that 5 cm would be a max to keep good handling.
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24th Jan 2010 4:00pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092
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Well, it depends on your perspetive of "good handling", for me, it's "as it came from the factory" and the steering self centers. you may be happy with some wandering over the road, and of course it'll depend on what tyres you fit too (although 255's seem to be restriced to BFG MT's and cooper MT's), something like a simex type tread all add to the bad manners. But, much over 5cm really needs some good money spending on the truck, like i say, brake pipes, extended bump stops, CV propshafts, castor corrected arms etc etc. |
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24th Jan 2010 4:07pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8030  
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have you spoken/emailed any of the specialists about what you are after?
After alot of mucking about with different spring and shocks setups i concluded you certainly get what you pay for. yes you can get cheap ish 2" (5cm lifts) but give it a couple of years and they sag. If you want a moderate lift just to clear the tyres then 1" spacers could be used. i would fit +2" brake pipes if you go for a 2" lift. certainly dont go above that. OME do lifted springs with no necessarily harsher rides or HD, try phoning Devon4x4 and ask them what is about. it would be time well spent. Dont forget the LR options too, try going through the various LR springs which come quite cheap which is suprising and fitting HD 90 ones to fronts etc can get what you want as Jamie mentions also look at LR HD ones. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Jan 2010 6:07pm |
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| Cedwat Member Since: 18 Jan 2010 Location: North Posts: 22
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I did ask to a local guy who has a very good reputation in the north. And he adviced me this combo. What was not clear in my head was it is the spring or the "amortisseur" (sorry I don't know the English for that) that will give the hardness. He told mr that the "amortisseur" is the element that will allow a soft feeling at low speed that hard at higher speed. And he said procomp 9000 are good for that. Which was confirrmed by a friend. I was just surprised thAT he did not say much about the role of spring. In my mind springs were the element that determined the hardness of the ride.
Oops not sure I am very clear here! |
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24th Jan 2010 7:25pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8030
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Procomp 9000s are good but they are built to a budget. In my experience they dont last that long. Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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24th Jan 2010 7:28pm |
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| dm_td5 Member Since: 20 Jul 2008 Location: Arnhem Land Posts: 609
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25th Jan 2010 7:29am |
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| Cedwat Member Since: 18 Jan 2010 Location: North Posts: 22
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Thank you.
In theory : - Springs determine the hardness and softness of the ride because their role is to play against the downward movement of the car - absorbers play against the movement in the opposite direction (upward) and their role is to stabilize the vehicule to prevent up and down movement of the car. When they are "dead", the car will constantely go up and down because of the springs. |
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25th Jan 2010 8:03am |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2416  
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I have a 2.5" lift with the following setup. OME755 and OME751. Both with 1" spacers from gwyn lewis. Rancho adjustable 9000xl 12" shoxs. Also 285/75R16 tires on 16x8", 4" backspaced rims, doble CV front propshaft. Relocation rear cones (gwyn lewis), extended brake lines. Nice ride and no steering problems.
You can also get those RS 9000 rough country shoxs, but do not buy them from LLAMA4x4.com as the guy will not stand for any warranty. Puma 110" SW ............................................................. Earth first. Other planets later |
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25th Jan 2010 12:14pm |
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