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| MalteseRover Member Since: 02 Jul 2013 Location: Gozo Posts: 137  
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hi
as said in hello/welcome section i am interested in a newer land rover.. i am watching and reading a bit about 110s powered by the td5 motor. i have learnt a good lot like they can have >>problems with oil in ECU ? >>cylinder head problems ? >>costs related to replacing a Dual mass flywheel at around 100,000? >>usual bulkhead and chassis rot ? >>dodgy repairs or layouts of electrical connections/illuminated warning signs on start up ? I just wondered if i am missing out something obvious... i dont want to part with a big lump of cash and than having to start off fixing.. (i d rather get a maltese bogged up 300tdi instead of chasing a td5 money pit) I have some question is welding allowed on chassis for repairs ? or it can harm wiring? a local truck body builder usual deals with Isuzus that are electronically managed and he simply unplugs ECU s etc and carries on... is this ok with td5? well i have come across a uk import in the form of a 100k miles td5 110 hi cap + hydraulic winch.. it sounds and looks ok.. price tag is 11000... maybe she left the yard by the time i go visit her but anyhow i dont want to hurry/rush into anything http://www.maltapark.com/item.aspx?itemid=2313885 cheers joseph |
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2nd Jul 2013 1:40pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8006  
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you are right with what you have read. welding - no problem as per your post. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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2nd Jul 2013 2:12pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248  
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Oil in ECU - normally a new injector loom £45 ?? plus worth fitting a cam cover gasket at the same time. Easy DIY job but allow time for remaining oil to drain - week or so.
Cylinder head problems - can happen on all of them but 2002MY onwards have a different gallery set up and are better than earlier ones. New Turner head is approx £1,400 plus other bits and fitting if you don't do it yourself. DMF - mine has gone after 12 years and 58,000 miles. New clutch, spigot bush, DMF and release bearing is £800 fitted. Rust - yes  Rear cross member is a very weak area on TD5's.
Electrics - not experienced a problem on mine. Swivel bearing and pins - look for oil leaks and unexplained wheel play. Normally put down as bearings but it could be the swivels and pins. Injector seals - these go and cause all sorts of strange problems including fuel draining into the sump and engine runaway. I had mine done as a precaution whilst trying to find an engine smoking problem and they were shot. Use genuine parts and is a DIY job. Noisy fuel pump. Only use genuine part £300 and you have to drop the tank to replace. Sounds bad doesn't it ??? It is not, the TD5 is a brilliant vehicle and I love mine 
Good luck Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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2nd Jul 2013 5:38pm |
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| MalteseRover Member Since: 02 Jul 2013 Location: Gozo Posts: 137
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hi and thanks.
thanks bob. that is a bit of a  but hey.. i have been a series 3 nut ever since i started driving/owning them, have delved in every corner of its mechanics from engine to brakes to gbox to axles and wheel bearings.  problem is in series world everything is a cheap fix.. i am concerned about td5 learning by trial and error can be costly 
>> i have seen that dmf can cost around 300 or 400. if it is a s traight forward job i could try do it myself. local mechanics are most of time reluctant to spanner the LR gboxes out of place. i have read that it shows up in terms of rattles? vibrations? am i right? >> re fuel pump do you mean an electric lift pump that is in fuel tank ? should it sound noisy? or if shot. >> injector seals ..are they easily noticeable? can i remove engine cover easily for inspection or it is a hassle forcing dealer to kick me out? >> this happens to be a 2002 model but guess if i dont strike a deal with this dealer i may start looking over there in UK perhaps later models. what was the last year of td5 production (or it was labeled puma along years i am illiterate in very modern Land rovers..) >>I guess same rules for checking swivel pin bearings apply as for series models? about driveablity. i drove a 300tdi 90 when i was at a land rover show at newark i think on the motorway? it was great.. loaded and still a great difference from 109. and i also drove a 90 td5 locally for a few metres which was rather freshly imported but then again i cannot judge the quality of a td5 by matching power against the stock 109. oh. about price.. i forgot to say that the 11000euros covers importation expenses like transport and also 2300ish euros of registration tax. plus a profit margin for the dealer so ... sounds a bit of a bargain compared to the few that are on ebay. even if they have less than 90k miles. plus exchange rates are also against the euro zone so it looks somehow cheap. cheers. joseph |
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2nd Jul 2013 6:48pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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Mine's just clocked up 157,000 miles, new injector loom, injector seals and washers done twice(I should have done them the first time not the so-called specialist), starter motor solonoid bits. Nothing major for an 11 year old motor, just brake pad replacements, discs, just completely rebushed the suspension and a handfull of prop UJ's, what I would call wear parts anyway. This 110 is my daily driver, does about 15,000 miles a year and not all on tarmac. It is still on its original clutch, battery, pretty much everything. I have just started to see the rust start on the bottom edges of the rear cross member. It got a JE Engineering stage 1 tune about 4 years ago and apart from snapping a couple of manifold studs has not caused any problems.
So all in all I'd reccomend a Td5 with no hesitation, but with any motor they do benifit from servicing and being used. That's put the kiss of death on my happy partnership with mine  |
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2nd Jul 2013 6:49pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Sounds scary but mine had not been serviced or looked after for years
DMF - mine sounded like tappets or injector cam knocking. Turned out it was the DMF making the noise. Another symptom is stalling in low range. It can be done yourself quite easily but whilst the engine or gearbox is out you might as well do the clutch as well. DMF is about £300 and clutch £100. I am putting Valeo units in. Fuel pump in tank shouldn't be noisy but if it is may well be on it's way out. Injector seals- you can only really see if they are gone by removing the injectors. Having removed them you might as well replace them. Swivels/pins - yep same as a series. TD5's drive really well and the sound is fantastic
Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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2nd Jul 2013 6:59pm |
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| MalteseRover Member Since: 02 Jul 2013 Location: Gozo Posts: 137
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upon a message on the website.. the dealer said they have a service history... hm interesting ...
when you refer to stalling you mean engine dies out ? i have read it also happens because of the acellerator wiring(fly by wire?? ) or it is something that happened only in early models? as with checking hi low tcase and gbox. i think there should not be any concern. they are permanent 4x4 not like the series models. anyway i can check for gremlins in there? apart from signs of gbox opened and instant gasket seals? OH BTW do they leak ? just in case it has some oil leaks underneath have Ford BMW and TATa managed to iron that out? or i should move on 
thanks joseph |
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2nd Jul 2013 7:06pm |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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If there is a service history and bills for repairs then check them out, a lot of the problems may have been resolved already and you may have nothing to worry about
The DMF failing will cause juddering when releasing the clutch, rattles/knocks from the transmission tunnel and stalling, engine dies and stops, in low range especially low range first. The R380 gearbox can be notchy going from first to second, this is apparently common and can sometimes be partially solved by a gearbox oil change. Mine does it, especially when cold, but I just make sure I make the shift from first to second very slow and deliberate. It is fine after a few miles. Mine does not leak - now 
Two very common leaks are the cam cover gasket mentioned in the earlier post, getting the back of the seal fitted correctly is a pain in the *****. Other leak to look out for is the fuel pressure regulator. This leaks fuel down the block and into the clutch housing. Regulator is easy to replace (about £100) but it normally destroys the clutch. Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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2nd Jul 2013 7:37pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443
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The fuel pumps are a law unto themselves, as a bit of a conundrum mine has been noisy for the past 4 years and it's still going
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2nd Jul 2013 9:01pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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It's like with all second hand cars if you are lucky you get a good one if not you will have to pay.
I have a 2003 90 insurance write off because is has been drowned is brown stinky  ?
It needed a new ecu and alam ecu both wirelooms and changed injector harnes because off the famous oil in it. My DMF is a bit noisy sometimes. It changed from a sheep transporter including the sheep left overs to my off-road toy. I love the Td5 except for the stalling sometimes when coming off the throttle while off-road.  Click image to enlarge It will end up completely Camel when finished. Roel
1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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3rd Jul 2013 8:35am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248
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Roel
The stalling when coming off throttle when off road could be the DMF. Mine has started to do it and appears to be getting worse as the DMF gets noisier. Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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3rd Jul 2013 11:48am |
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| MalteseRover Member Since: 02 Jul 2013 Location: Gozo Posts: 137
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visited the said HCPU.
not possible to drive or start - low battery. seemed alu rot free, body was fairly straight no horrendous dents, plenty of surface rust all over the rear part of chassis covered in a faint layer of underseal black paint? lot of muck/debris still clogged up in chassis corners. Tcase's bottom covered in oil and also front output end of Tcase has a shot oil seal. even if no great puddles but concerned about it, worn seal is usually worn or wearing bearing. passenger side swiven leaking/weaping oil..same side tire with uneven wear. exhaust manifold lacked two studs, no ac. dashboard facia full of drilled holes???? and the centre pannel was a disaster... cracked etc. miles... 156k and not 100k plus no paper work/history.. bulkhead was not bad some surface rust. carpets in footwells sagging.. seats not matching. the back. let say i did not feel the click when i saw it...  i know i am not a hero when it comes to haggling. but when i asked him price he said 11grand plus VAT.. so somewhere round 12.500 or more.. i said i am worried about the leak in gbox .. and he just said land rovers just leak it is normal. i did not even dare offer him 10k cash for it..it is a matter of moving on i guess.. sigh.. at least i had a mate who also has a tweaked 90 td5 .. he also seemed unimpressed with the car itself. anyhow.
i am not prepared to pay 12grand and start spannering underneat it, he happened to have a 1999 110 pick up standard he wanted around 12 if not more. but it was without leak only dented body work and heavily dented rear bulkhead from loading and work. plus another 110 van which was 70k miles.. but he asked 15 grand and i am actually not looking for a van. the series is already a van and a pain to load at times. i guess the hunt will be longish. joseph |
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3rd Jul 2013 9:27pm |
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