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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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Interesting recent article pulled from aulro.com.
https://www.defender2.net/gallery/albums/u...Rovers.pdf If this is correct, we better hang on to what we have I would say  Was planning to do that anyway  You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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19th May 2013 4:07am |
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| T1G UP Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Bath Posts: 3101  
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like the idea of a baby Disco. that'll do for me
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19th May 2013 3:37pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018  
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Has that article got the basics facts right?
I never thought it was the intention to replace Defender with "a super rugged, relatively basic off roader" but rather a relatively sophisticated vehicle; and I never thought the replacement was to be built in India but rather talk of retaining the existing model Defender for some RoW markets. So have they made a story out of nothing? Intrigued to read that with no new model in 2015 but retirement of old one, LR will be without a vehicle in this market segment for a period of time - if that's true then someone appears to have dropped the ball big style  |
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19th May 2013 7:54pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646  
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Also reported on Autocar:
Plans for new Land Rover Defender shaken up Land Rover's plans to replace the ageing Defender with a more rugged vehicle have been scrapped Land Rover’s plans to replace the ancient Defender with a new range of super-rugged, relatively basic off-roaders have been scrapped, according to sources close to the company. Outline plans to build the new model in India, probably alongside a related Tata SUV, have also been dropped. A further consequence of the surprise move is that the planned JLR engine factory in India has also been put on ice. Although a replacement Defender is currently in the works, John Edwards,Land Rover’s global brand director, has been quoted as saying the new Defender will not go into production in 2015 as originally envisaged. The current Defender will still be retired in 2015, however, partly because of the impossibility of meeting future legislation. It is thought that the latest plans for the new Defender, which is certainly three years away, are to create a more premium-level product and build it on a version of JLR’s new, all-aluminium PLA architecture. Land Rover’s aluminium body shop can currently handle 95,000 vehicles per year on three shifts, but there is already existing room for expansion to 180,000 units. Even so, Land Rover has started work on a further extension of the body shop, suggesting it expects to roll out more than four models based on the PLA platform. The upshot is that it’s highly likely that a new ‘premium’ Defender will be a sister car to the next-generation flagship model of the expanded Discovery range (see p10), with both models based on a new, marginally smaller version of the PLA architecture. Sources say Land Rover is confident of being able to buy aluminium at a highly competitive price from its new joint venture in Saudi Arabia. This, and premium pricing, means building the car in the UK would be cost-competitive. Autocar understands that the decision to shake up plans to replace the Defender has been prompted, at least in part, by the fact that the health of the automotive division of parent company Tata is in question. After suffering a sales humiliation with the super-budget Nano, the company has also seen its new Aria SUV massively undershoot sales expectations. New car sales in India have gone into freefall in the past six months. Without Tata Motors making significant sales progress, any planned co-operation with Jaguar Land Rover on a back-to-basics Defender is not financially viable. Autocar also understands that the product development boss hired to oversee the new Defender argued strongly against using a separate chassis construction and trying to compete globally, particularly withToyota, in the market for commercial SUVs. source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars...der-shaken -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged 
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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20th May 2013 7:20am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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But what's new here - it was in November 2012 when this was published widely:
Click image to enlarge Clearly showing only 3 lines and Freelander as part of the extended Discovery family; and new Defender based on Discovery platform. |
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20th May 2013 7:36am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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Will be fine. 2014 production only of galvanised chassis 3.2 TDCi's for the Defender 2 chappies and lassies 1951 80" S1 2.0
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20th May 2013 8:47am |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 422 
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Uhm, if that's not what you're trying to do then it's hardly much of a Defender replacement, is it? |
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20th May 2013 1:40pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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Get yourselves to Gaydon and to a design and engineering tour, its a 1/2 day and is about £45. You will learn a lot, mainly to ignore news articles.
We did the tour last week and noticed quite a few 'unusual' vehicles that clearly were not what they seemed. For instance a vehicle that looked like an Evoque but stretched. I would imagine that this was a new Freelander. There was also a very big clay mock up of something being wheeled down the 'main street' this was part covered in a green sheet. The mock up was Defender/D4/RRS size. As the D4 is about to have a face lift, the new FFRR and RRS is out, by elimination this would suggest that the mock up could have been the new Defender. |
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20th May 2013 8:16pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Andrew, agree with your line of thinking. Smartest thing LR can do is to deliberately mislead the press at this stage of the game, secretly work on a new Defender, and only when they have a virtual final product less than a year from launch, start trickle feed information, and take the market by surprise, raising excitement to the boiling point....
Right now LR/RR have plenty of news to thrive on and keep attention high, first the Ewok, then the FFRR, now the RRS, and at some time a new Freelander... In a couple of years when that all has sunk in, a new Defender would then come down as a big bang. They know as well as we that the brand image is really made by the Series/Defender models, so they won't let that down all too easily. Guess we are in for a lot more conflicting (mis)information, cold and hot blowing, in the coming year... Hope springs eternal. But I will hang onto my current Defender for many moons to come.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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21st May 2013 4:19am |
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