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x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
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2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

(Yet another) Rear Recovery Point Question

Hypothetically (now that's a big Friday word!) thinking.......

I've been looking at some rear recovery point options. Not that I hope to ever get that extreme that I'd need pulling out, but you never know......

I have a standard (Witter, I beleive) tow pack, but don't have the ball fitted. I don't plan on removing it, but was thinking of bolting a Swivel Shackle point on. My tow bar bolts to the bottom 2 of the 6 cross member holes and the Shackle point probably won't squeeze onto the top 4, therefore. Do you think that it would be good/strong/safe enough to bolt on top of the tow bar using the 4 mounting points? Therefore, 2 in the cross member and 2 in the tow bar bracket. Hope that make sense.

Here's the photos of the Swivel Shackle point and my 110 showing the tow bar setup.

Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 2:17pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
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DOH! Donkey award.

After looking at the photo once I posted, it became very obvious......

The hole spacing is wider than the cross member spacing!......

Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 2:19pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
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If you are leaving the tow bar in place then by far the easiest option would be to bolt on a pin hitch:

You could fit a ball and pin combination hitch too, but they are quite a lot more expensive. Darren

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22nd Feb 2013 2:30pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
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Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 2:55pm

Andy Jeff

Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: Suffolk, UK.
Posts: 143

Just sorted rear recovery on my 90 too. Be aware that the bottom two bolt holes in the cross member are of a larger thread than the other four (can't remember thread size, but it was 24mm spanner as opposed to 19mm spanner!) so if you're going to use the bottom two holes you might need wider holes in the thing you're bolting to it!

The plate on your current tow bar mount will be more than man enough to take a recovery point especially as it is triangulated back to the chassis (for those extra tricky pulls

).

I was told that mounting directly to the cross member ONLY is frowned upon so I used a Terrafirma QD receiver hitch which is a bit less of a plough than a standard tow bar mount!

And I know I'm preaching to the converted, but always 8.8 or higher rated bolts!

Andy.

Last edited by Andy Jeff on 22nd Feb 2013 3:31pm. Edited 1 time in total

22nd Feb 2013 3:29pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
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Cheers Andy! Top write up!

As you say, the arms from the frame is a bit of an issue, but at least I don't need a fueltank guard!

Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 3:31pm

Andy Jeff

Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: Suffolk, UK.
Posts: 143

Found some pictures!

HTH.

Andy.

22nd Feb 2013 3:34pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
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'tis a lot neater and more clearance and would be tempted, but can't really justify taking the bar off to replace with another.

So I'll adapt with the one I've got.

Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 3:46pm

mrandmrsh

Member Since: 31 May 2010
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2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

Andy, that looks fantastic and I have been pondering something similar for a while. I have heard tales of problems with manufacturing failing on these and have been warned off by a user of such a device. Has yours had plenty of hard work and stood up to it well?

I have seen the one you have and LRS also stock the same thing.

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22nd Feb 2013 3:51pm

Andy Jeff

Member Since: 11 Nov 2012
Location: Suffolk, UK.
Posts: 143

Can't say I've given it *lots* of stick yet, just a couple of drag outs backwards when I've been up to my axles

but it sure seems/feel/weighs like the real deal.

I bought mine from 'First Four Off Road'. Malcolm was *extremely* helpful and though they didn't have stock on Monday, it arrived at my doorstep by 8:00am the following Wednesday (the same week) by courier and postage was free! Best price, best service and best delivery, I'll shop there again!

Andy.

22nd Feb 2013 4:02pm

SteveG

Member Since: 29 Nov 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 663

Used one of these for past 7 years on my 90 with plenty of use, no problems and at a decent price too....

http://www.lrsshop.co.uk/content/rear-recovery-hitch

Cheers

Steve

22nd Feb 2013 4:52pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
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I've been looking at one of those too. Same issue with the space above the towbar plate. If the spacing allows, its an option to bolt to the plate itself. Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 5:21pm

Pam W

Member Since: 25 Oct 2011
Location: North Yorkshire
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I think there have been discussions on here before re. "Receiver" type hitches, if used for towing ie. towing trailers/caravans etc, rather than self-recovery.

The main point of it seems to be that users should be aware that in general receiver hitches are not 'type approved' for towing loads on post-1998 vehicles, unless that vehicle came out the factory as a 'commercial' body type. For some bizarre reason commercial vehicles are exempt from having to have type approved towing gear - seems odd, but there ya go!

If post1998 and not a commercial then you should be fine for self-recovery but should use a type approved tow point for towing loads. It is not so much about getting stopped by the plods as they are unlikely to know the difference, but in the event of a towing related accident then it might come up and insurance may be an issue. Our blog - http://landytravels.com/

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22nd Feb 2013 6:38pm

SteveG

Member Since: 29 Nov 2011
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 663

x-isle wrote:
I've been looking at one of those too. Same issue with the space above the towbar plate. If the spacing allows, its an option to bolt to the plate itself.

How often do you tow? It takes less than 10 minutes t change over between them.

22nd Feb 2013 7:49pm

x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
Posts: 1327

The spacing on the tow bar plate is different to the spacing on the cross member, so thats a no no.

Back on the hitch pin then. I notice there's a 5000kg version that has a 4 bolt flange.

Anyone either know if the plate on my tow bar is spaced for a 4 bolt flange? Or know what the bolt spacing is so I can measure it?

It looks similar?

Craig Rogers

2007 Puma 110 XS
2011 Evoque Coupe Dynamic Lux
www.craigrogers.photography

22nd Feb 2013 8:24pm

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