NinetyTD4 wrote:

As Ford decided to only bring the 2.2 Puma to EU5 emission, there was no choice at all.

I would say the world is their oyster at that point. Land Rover are no longer part of Ford group and therefore don't gain from continued use of their engines unless they didn't have anything of their own..........BUT they do! They might as well have fitted their own 2.2 Litre Dicor VTT engine, which is suspiciously fitted to their 4x4s (Xenon). Driven through their gearbox and a Borg Warner transfer box (same as Range Rover).

And most importantly for the green people out there....... it is EU5

Most importantly for the diver: It has 140HP and 320Nm torque.... down a little on torque but power will make up for it.

TATA do have ties to Ford, but they also have ties to Toyota, Honda and other top vehicle manufacturers- what a vehicle that would become if it had a 4.5D-4D lump (still EU5) 286HP and 881Nm!!!

Glyn

BigWheels wrote:

Defender = outgoing

TAKE THAT BACK!

Glyn

rover wrote:

The 2.2tdci in the new global Ford Ranger is the same engine as the Defender, Ford have aimed the new Ford Ranger to take the lions share of the pick up sales in Australia, South Africa and other such contries where thousands of people depend on their trucks ability and reliability just to get to town which may be hundreds of miles of extreme 4x4 driving. The 2.2tdci therefore should not be seen by the 2.4/Td5 crew as a lesser engine than theirs. If its good enough for the Ford Ranger its good enough for the Defender.

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Glynparry25 wrote:

NinetyTD4 wrote:

As Ford decided to only bring the 2.2 Puma to EU5 emission, there was no choice at all.

I would say the world is their oyster at that point. Land Rover are no longer part of Ford group and therefore don't gain from continued use of their engines unless they didn't have anything of their own..........BUT they do! They might as well have fitted their own 2.2 Litre Dicor VTT engine, which is suspiciously fitted to their 4x4s (Xenon). Driven through their gearbox and a Borg Warner transfer box (same as Range Rover).

And most importantly for the green people out there....... it is EU5

Most importantly for the diver: It has 140HP and 320Nm torque.... down a little on torque but power will make up for it.

TATA do have ties to Ford, but they also have ties to Toyota, Honda and other top vehicle manufacturers- what a vehicle that would become if it had a 4.5D-4D lump (still EU5) 286HP and 881Nm!!!

Glyn

NinetyTD4 wrote:

Glynparry25 wrote:

NinetyTD4 wrote:

As Ford decided to only bring the 2.2 Puma to EU5 emission, there was no choice at all.

I would say the world is their oyster at that point. Land Rover are no longer part of Ford group and therefore don't gain from continued use of their engines unless they didn't have anything of their own..........BUT they do! They might as well have fitted their own 2.2 Litre Dicor VTT engine, which is suspiciously fitted to their 4x4s (Xenon). Driven through their gearbox and a Borg Warner transfer box (same as Range Rover).

And most importantly for the green people out there....... it is EU5

Most importantly for the diver: It has 140HP and 320Nm torque.... down a little on torque but power will make up for it.

TATA do have ties to Ford, but they also have ties to Toyota, Honda and other top vehicle manufacturers- what a vehicle that would become if it had a 4.5D-4D lump (still EU5) 286HP and 881Nm!!!

Glyn

The issue is not technical, but it is us voting for darn idiots.

If LR chooses to go for another engine, they would have to file for reclassification of the EU classtype rating and this will be denied as we left handling power to these "Gutmenschen" in Brussels.

The 2.4 still exist EU5 on transit with DPF (I have one in the Company where I'm employed). Only, and I repeat it again, FORD decided, for cost optimization reasons, to reduce the engine offer from the 2.2, 2.4 and 3.2 Pumas to the new 2.2 and 3.2 Pumas (2.2 and 2.4 are so closer displacement)

and without change anythings else (gearbox, frame, ....) and without introduce a totally new engine/powertrain (new wharehouse management with a lot of new spares, new versions that means COSTS!!!)

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rover wrote:

The 2.2tdci in the new global Ford Ranger is the same engine as the Defender, Ford have aimed the new Ford Ranger to take the lions share of the pick up sales in Australia, South Africa and other such contries where thousands of people depend on their trucks ability and reliability just to get to town which may be hundreds of miles of extreme 4x4 driving. The 2.2tdci therefore should not be seen by the 2.4/Td5 crew as a lesser engine than theirs. If its good enough for the Ford Ranger its good enough for the Defender.

I though Ford Rangers were re-badged Mazdas  Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender

BigWheels wrote:

I though Ford Rangers were re-badged Mazdas

No, it's the other way around.

Needless to say, the ideal engine for the Defender would have been the 3.2 TDCi, not the 2.4 or 2.2.  --
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rover wrote:

Now a Defender 110 with a 3.2tdci would be great and I think would sell better than the 2.2. If only Land Rover saw sense.

Yep, even the 'old' 3.0 TDCi from the old Ranger would have been more than adequate. But f-ing bean counters at LR  --
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vito115 wrote:

In the Transit i see 36mpg , thats the 2.2 puma @ 155 horse, its a bit "overgeared" 2000rpm is 68mph on the speedo dont know how this compares with the Land Rover ?

dgardel wrote:

The 2.4 still exist EU5 on transit with DPF (I have one in the Company where I'm employed).