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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6632   
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Are you meaning a "tuning box"? If so get a proper remap, not a plug-in box.
 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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24th Jun 2012 6:01pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Ditto that last comment.
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24th Jun 2012 6:04pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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What they said
 Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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24th Jun 2012 6:38pm |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405 
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This http://www.terrafirma4x4.com/products_php.php?cat=13 Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender |
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25th Jun 2012 11:22am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6632
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My statement stands!
1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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25th Jun 2012 11:41am |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405
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Please can you explain why. Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender
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25th Jun 2012 12:03pm |
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| WelshGas Member Since: 01 Oct 2010 Location: Vale of Glamorgan Posts: 935  
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I understand what you are all saying BUT:-
1. Warranty - You have to be able to take the remap off if you are going to a dealership - so you have to have that ability available if you travel away from home and suffer a breakdown that requires a trip to a dealership. 2. You have to have access to a Windoze computer - I only use Apple computers - if you get your remaps via email etc: Maybe when I'm out of warranty and can determine where I go when I have a breakdown and callout the AA then I can visit one of the sponsors for a remap, or if they produce a Mac version of their software. Until then I would only consider one of these Plug & Play boxes.  LANDYWATCH
Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php |
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25th Jun 2012 12:06pm |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6632
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A tuning box can never match a true remap. Tuning boxes fool the ECU and engine into operating different to what each other "thinks" - i.e. it's a box which modifies signals going both ways to trick them.
At its crudest, this is simply a resistor to lower the rail pressure signal to the ECU, so the ECU raises it as it doesn't match its set point. Higher diesel pressure means more diesel injected per firing, but it takes NO account of the other engine parameters required to determine if this is a good idea or not. These parameters can include but are not limited to fuel temperature, boost pressure, engine temperature, driver driver, inlet air temperature, charge temperature, air flow, gearbox gear, EGR state... [etc] A remap does increase fuelling, but by altering the maps which are read as a result of looking at all these other parameters FIRST. A tuning box lets the ECU work out where it should be operating, and then just bungs some on top, and lies in return. 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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25th Jun 2012 12:08pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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I've tried 2 (glutton for punishment) tuning boxes and both were horrible - first was 80 Euro (sent it back) and second was 250 Euro (sent it back). You're right about initially needing a Windoze computer (annoying) to load the maps on the console but it's not so hard to find/pay/blackmail some poor PC user to help (I use Bootcamp). However, once that's done, the (e.g. Alive and BAS) console can be kept in your car and used to load either of 2 remaps or replace with the original map in a few minutes. Sure, in a catastrophic crash I would not be able to reload the original map... but I probably wouldn't be in a position to climb around and remove a tuning box either  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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25th Jun 2012 12:35pm |
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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2646  
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+1 tuning boxes are big no-no! -- 2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear 2015 Range Rover Sport V8 Supercharged
Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9 Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ |
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25th Jun 2012 12:51pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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Martin summed it up well. DOn't waste your money on plug in boxes or any 'generic' mapping. It's worth getting a proper remap done tailored to your needs and vehicle by a specialist. John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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25th Jun 2012 3:21pm |
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| fekete Member Since: 24 Dec 2008 Location: Here on the other end of the computer Posts: 3626 
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This is what you need and Alive are the best out there
http://www.alivetuning.com/ECU_Remapping.html NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY |
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25th Jun 2012 4:06pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412
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Along with a couple of others such as Bell and IRB  John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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25th Jun 2012 4:50pm |
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