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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006   
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That may well be but its about the sustainability of the source of the emissions. A diesel engine running on nut or seed oil or a petrol engine running on ethanol both with suitable exhaust filtering is significantly better than the same engines running on dinosaur squeezings. Ok an argument can be made that bio diesel production could take some land away from human food production but ethanol is a significant byproduct of brewing beer the crops for which would be being grown anyway. The advantage of this being that production is sustainable, and the technology is here and tested now, ok with some minor tweaks to sealing compounds etc but easily incorporated into manufacturing. The biggest problem is that too many people with too much money would be adversely affected by loosing the dependency on fossil fuels and until you and I collectively turn these people into pariahs of the highest magnitude nothing will change. The internal combustion engine is sound technology, the current fuel for it is not. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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21st Oct 2017 5:30am |
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| familymad Member Since: 13 Dec 2011 Location: Bucks Posts: 3481  
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My Leaf is a lovely place to be for 150miles after filling it with £1.90 of electric
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21st Oct 2017 6:38am |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952 
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I told someone the other day that my BMW i3 costs me about £2 to 'fill up' for 140 miles, and they didn't believe me! People don't realise how cheap electric cars are to run.
When you think of it, it's quite amazing. I can go from Reading to Bath, and back again...for two quid...in luxury, quietly, on my own. Or I could get a train! Now left. |
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21st Oct 2017 8:31am |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5161
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ok so if the full country went electric cars, what would happen with the power grid? I recon power stations would need a major over haul plus more coal or what ever they are use. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
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21st Oct 2017 7:19pm |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Stop using coal in power stations 4 or 5 year ago all one i work in had major over haul to convert them to wood biomass , what would happen with the power grid the local low voltage gird in town
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wood biomass ship in to uk form western Canada and USA Last edited by dorsetsmith on 21st Oct 2017 8:50pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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21st Oct 2017 7:39pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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Procta, no, not so. The National Grid released a report stating that (even in 2040, when all cars will be electric) the extra draw on the national grid will be a mere 8%...
http://fes.nationalgrid.com/media/1264/ev-myth-buster-v032.pdf Bottom of page 2 Now left. |
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21st Oct 2017 7:47pm |
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| SonicFields Member Since: 11 Jul 2017 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 124 |
that ev myth buster article is rather flawed, especially its reference to the future where "The peak demand is met with a combination of more flexible electricity generation sources with the predominate one being gas." Obviously no one has told them that the gas fields are already struggling to meet demand, and are currently in a slight production decline, with only smaller, riskier and expensive fields left for future development. They've been at a plateau for a while, but now predict a sharp precipice, or drop-off, and guess when.....2040
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21st Oct 2017 8:45pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3269 
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The increased demand for electricity will be gradual not overnight so the grid will cope.
Energy providers are already lining up to sell us more. Especially as our government are so keen on giving the French/Chinese/Germans etc gazillions of pounds of our tax money to provide us with power and further empty our wallets. No point in fighting it though. Electric is the future. It won't be long before someone here drops an electric motor or 4 in their Land Rover... |
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21st Oct 2017 9:03pm |
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| What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952
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SonicFields, I'm from the gas industry. The latest talk is of hydrogen. This could either be added to methane, or replace it altogether in the coming decades. The government(!) have signed us up to reducing our CO2 emissions, and there's only a few ways that the target could be met. The cost will be extraordinary - billions into three figures have been quoted. However, my personal thoughts are that we'll move toward new houses generating their own power, rather than relying on a national grid. This could either be from Combined Heat & Power units (CHiP) or solar roofs. And as I said here the other day, if the good people of tokamakenergy.co.uk do their stuff, we will be looking at fusion reactors (perfectly safe) dotted all over the country, the world, even. Around 2040 is when they expect to crack fusion, and who knows what solar panels we'll be using then, anyway? The future for power actually looks rosey, but (as my signature line says) it's population we should be worrying about.
Zed, I recently (a month ago) got a quote from one of the leading EV converters here in the UK about making a 90 into an EV...I was quoted £35,000  Now left. |
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21st Oct 2017 9:40pm |
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| ScottMartin Member Since: 19 Oct 2017 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 16 
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I wouldn't be surprised if this were to happen in the near future. |
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25th Oct 2017 9:41am |
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