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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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No. In fact many will advocate storing it inside rather than on a rack due to the weight, although the latter can be done as long as you're sensible. Darren
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6th Aug 2017 9:00am |
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| VeeTee Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1512 
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I see no reason why not. I carry a small plastic jerrycan with diesel, as long it is securely stored no problem. Cheers, Vincent
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6th Aug 2017 9:02am |
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| Panda Member Since: 29 May 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 432  
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Hi
Max 10 liters petrol 20 liters diesel but check your insurance as they may say no. https://www.jerrycans.co.uk/blog/are-jerry...aw-on-fuel interesting read if nothing else. Monty-2015 2.2 110 XS Puma Station Wagon Yoda Disco 3-Sold Larry Disco 1-Sold Muddly XS 90 TDCI-Sold Pearl Disco 2-Sold Larry Disco 1-didn't want too but sold |
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6th Aug 2017 11:14am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20626
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I carry 20L of Diesel in an approved metal jerrycan for longer trips.
Gives me another 120 mile approx range on top of the standard 90 fuel tank with out fiddling with aux fuel tanks. (Around 300 miles total ish with no fill ups with both filled.) I strap mine securely to the rear seat frame. I don't like holders for the reason of, A, poor selection of locations to mount. B, Outside and theft is a real issue. C, Internaly it can take up lots of room and isn't removable. And D, the worst one for me, is that most are that awful stuff Powder coated mild steel. If I ever did have one I'd want Stainless, I suppose unless there are some in the market? A good skilled welder, which I think many of you may be on here probably could knock one up in Stainless. You've also, got to be careful where you put them as lifting them they are very heavy when full. I'd say you are talking 26kg - 29kg range ish. I don't see much point in carrying smaller in diesel, as it won't put much in really. However, petrol is a different matter for safety reasons all together. A 110 or 130, you do however have more scope. Butt with a 90 it's best in my view to keep things removable, space is a premium. TheThunder Rollsπ¬π§πΊπΈ β½οΈπ’οΈβοΈπ§°πͺ |
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6th Aug 2017 11:25am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17610 
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Unless there have been recent changes I haven't heard about, the legal max for diesel is 1000 litres, above which you need a transport licence. |
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6th Aug 2017 11:40am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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First question, why jerry cans?
The trip you are planning is 4-5k miles in total with 11 days in Morocco. Travelling through France and Spain you are likely to clock up 2.5-3k miles. Fuel stations will be about 30 miles apart maximum. That is a maximum of about 2,500 miles in Morocco or just over 200 miles a day. IMO you will struggle to average 200+ miles a day for 11 days. Fuel tank on a 110 is 80 litres and assuming very bad driving conditions in soft sand you will average at least 3+ miles per litre or a minimum range of 240 miles Morocco is not a desolate place devoid of fuel stations so just keep your main tanks topped up every day. If you need extra range go for a wing tank. Jerry cans, if going down that route either get a good steel one with a good gasket, or a proper plastic jerry (such as Sceptor) and not the elcheapo ones in garage forecourts. Cheap plastic ones will deform under change of temperature and air pressure resulting in fumes leaking. Also you drop a cheap plastic one on corner and they will split. (Guess how I know!) Ferry companies do not like extra fuel jerry cans even if they are empty. This situation does change with time and political events. So check with your ferry company. Coming back from Morocco with full vehicle fuel tanks is fine. Full jerry cans you are technically importing fuel and duty is technically payable so keep jerry cans away from prying eyes. I have only had to use a jerry can once. That was in Norway on a Sunday night when the self service fuel stations only accepted Scandivian credit cards. Five miles further on was a manned 24 hr fuel station which I would probably have made. In remote places the rule of thumb is to have enough fuel on board to get to the next fuel station beyond the nearest fuel station. This gives you your built in safety factor just in case the nearest station is out of fuel. Brendan |
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6th Aug 2017 2:30pm |
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| Panda Member Since: 29 May 2015 Location: Essex Posts: 432
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Hi Blackwolf
Providing those cans are UN approved, marked UN 1203 and labelled with the flammable diamond, the only requirements are Driver training in accordance with ADR 1.3 Carry 2 kg fire extinguisher Stow the jerry cans correctly to avoid damage or loss from the vehicle Monty-2015 2.2 110 XS Puma Station Wagon Yoda Disco 3-Sold Larry Disco 1-Sold Muddly XS 90 TDCI-Sold Pearl Disco 2-Sold Larry Disco 1-didn't want too but sold |
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6th Aug 2017 2:34pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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As an aside, I come across someone who planned to put 8 20 litre jerry cans of diesel on his roof rack. Now that in theory would treble the range of a standard 110. Now a 20 litre steel jerry can of diesel woul weigh roughly 25 kg or about 200 kg for 8. The ROW limit on a Defender roof is 150 kg so with a roof rack looking at least 250 kg on top. It would drive like a pig.
Now where was this guy going somewhere extreme remote? No he was heading down to Croatia and diesel was cheapest in Luxembourg! His argument was that he would save money on fuel! Have come across a Defender driver topping up his diesel tank to the maximum of 330 litres. With tanks and pumps etc talking about 500 kg there. This guy needed the fuel as he went into the desert for 3 weeks at a time without returning to town. I met this guy in Central Australia and his occupation was research into sand movement in deserts. Think carefully what you actually need rather then look at me "I am a cool overlander guy with everything including the kitchen sink strapped down on a roof rack" Brendan |
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6th Aug 2017 2:47pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4241 
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Hi guys, thanks for the input. Brendan I know you have vast experience in this area, so thanks for taking the time.
The reason why? Our guide for Morocco has said we should ensure we can comfortably cover 250 miles without refuelling. Now, on the Peage @100km/h I can do that without breaking a sweat, it'll be a further 100 miles before the red light However, I do not know what terrain, remoteness or conditions is planned for us in Morocco. Seeing as I already own 20l metal Jerry, it seemed to make sense to put it in the car. I wouldn't be filling it up before Morocco anyhow and find a descrete location for it for the Channel crossing. They don't like Calor gas bottles in cars either but I've never been picked up yet. Worst case I'd play dumb and they can have it. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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6th Aug 2017 3:06pm |
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| hafman Member Since: 28 Mar 2017 Location: W Sussex Posts: 81
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Heavy, but not that heavy! The Wavian jerry cans are 4.3kg; 20 litres of diesel weighs 14.9kg, and 20 litres of petrol weighs 16.6kg. So max weight = 19.2 or 20.9 kg, depending on fuel type. |
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7th Aug 2017 5:40am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2285 
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You won't need a jerry can in Morocco, there are plenty of filling stations within reach of a full tank, even down to the Erg Chebbi.
They are heavy, will stink the car out, take up valuable room and are easily the most identifiable ''unnecessary overland accessory'' Mo 😊 The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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7th Aug 2017 6:52am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20626
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Hafman - You got it, to be fair I've never weighed it. One thing for certain it's heavy enough!
But the good thing is there is a good volume of fuel, so well worth it. 
P.S. The Wavian cans are excellent, I store mine empty in a warm dry place. Plus the have a special lining, but all the same I have no need to store any Diesel except for time due for use. TheThunder Rollsπ¬π§πΊπΈ β½οΈπ’οΈβοΈπ§°πͺ |
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7th Aug 2017 10:31am |
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| tookaphotoof Member Since: 18 Mar 2013 Location: dordrecht Posts: 1279 
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Isn't that always the case till the time you need it? 
I have 3 five litre cans left from when I drove a VX220. Never needed a jerry can, got stranded 3 times. After I sold the car I discovered mine didn't hold 38 but 32 litres. Never carried a jerry can in a Defender, but maybe...  |
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7th Aug 2017 10:59am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2285
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Did you keep them on the roof rack of your VX220 along with the roof tent and 2 spare wheels ? 😂
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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7th Aug 2017 2:06pm |
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