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srod



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TD5 engine removal...
Going to attempt a clutch change, gearbox out seems the most popular but I feel kind of drawn to trying engine out, almost like it's a rite of passage as a defender owner Laughing just wondering what I'll come up against. Haven't found a great deal of stuff of the web so please share any good links!

I would prefer not to have to resort to buying an engine crane, and I don't want to get stuck hiring one if the job takes longer than planned. Not sure how those castor wheels will cope on my rough driveway anyway.

I'm thinking of making a gantry out of scaffold and an RSJ that I happen to have, then slinging a lever hoist in the middle. This will work to get the engine up, but to get it clear I'll have to roll the truck back out the way before I can lower the engine and do the work. Does this sound doable? Or do I need the ability to manoeuvre the crane as I liift and lower?

Other than that, any big trouble I'm likely to encounter, or break along the way?
Post #505968 18th Feb 2016 8:51pm
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Mo Murphy



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The engine out is by far the most comfortable way to change the clutch and you'll have enough room to check and do everything comfortably.
I have Tdis but the principals are the same. Disconnect fuel, coolant, intercooler and electrical connections. Remove fan and fan cowl. Remove radiator and intercooler. Undo engine mounts. Unbolt bell housing. Hoist out.
Allow a whole weekend if it's your first time.
Hiring a hoist will give you a measure of mobility to get the engine clear of the engine bay. I've hired one on the last two occasions but next time I think I'll buy one.
HTH
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Post #506043 19th Feb 2016 7:27am
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blackwolf



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It is quite possible to do it with a static hoist and by rolling the vehicle.

Obviously you'll need to be sensible with your backyard scaffold (definitely not ok in a work environment!) since you don't want an RSJ with a TD5 landing on your noggin. A lever hoist (I assume you mean the Pullift type) is not the most ideal but will do the job provided that it is of sufficient capacity.

Good luck!
Post #506070 19th Feb 2016 9:40am
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Retroanaconda



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I've done it both ways.

Used to use a fixed hoist on a roof beam and then roll the vehicle out from underneath. This works fine, so long as you have the space and the ground is flat so you can push the car back.

I did then buy an engine crane though, which I have also used successfully. Bit more versatile tool but there's not much in it in terms of ease I would say when it comes to taking an engine out.

On rougher ground it is easier to move a vehicle with its big wheels than an engine crane with little castors.
Post #506108 19th Feb 2016 12:32pm
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Fatboy Slim



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Personally I'd go gearbox out for a clutch change. Far easier than pulling the motor out but that's just me....
Post #506274 19th Feb 2016 8:47pm
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srod



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Cheers all for the shared experience. Cool

I attempted to build a scaffold structure today. I can't get the height or sturdiness that I need with the gear I have, so an engine crane might be the easiest option. But will see what comes up - glad to hear it's doable.


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Post #506276 19th Feb 2016 8:51pm
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Fatboy Slim



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To be honest in the time you've taken to build scaffolding or gone to get a crane the box would be out on the floor. I do them in two lumps so split the transfer box from the gearbox and can comfortably do a clutch change in 4 hours....
Post #506277 19th Feb 2016 8:53pm
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srod



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I'm still open to either method!

How do you lower/support the boxes? Crane or jack?- Or are you saying by splitting the transfer and gear boxes it makes them man-handleable?
Post #506279 19th Feb 2016 8:59pm
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Fatboy Slim



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Yes it does. I generally do them on my own but I'm a big lump and it is easier with two people.
Post #506281 19th Feb 2016 9:05pm
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Fatboy Slim



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Lift each lump out by hand
Post #506282 19th Feb 2016 9:05pm
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srod



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Are you doing this on a lift? I'll be lying on driveway...!

I'll have a think about that method, might jack down each box rather than lifting it though. What additonal problems could separating the two boxes create?
Post #506289 19th Feb 2016 9:18pm
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Fatboy Slim



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Normally do them lying in 8" of coal and water to be honest. No additional problems to be had. There are two shorter bolts that go into the front face of the transfer box. These must go back into the same location as if you put a long one into the front it locks the intermediate gear up. There is a coolant line running around the back of the head that has tabs bolted onto the two top bellhousing bolts. Take the bolts out and bend the tabs on the line up out of the way with a pair of pliers.
Post #506292 19th Feb 2016 9:22pm
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Fatboy Slim



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And I normally remove the handbrake drum, backplate complete with shoes (only 4 bolts takes seconds) and the damper weight from the transfer box to make it more manageable.
Post #506295 19th Feb 2016 9:24pm
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Riccarton



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The human body makes one of the most compliant gearbox support cushions known to man Bow down
However, IMHO don't try it with your head at the bell housing end Whistle
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