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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6093   
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I've got a full external P&P cage on my 110 SW, I also had the internal hoop fitted that goes behind the drivers & passengers seat.
If yo don't want the full external, than the "camel trophy" semi internal/external is very good... although it does encroach in the rear load area a bit. My 110:  Click image to enlarge |
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14th Aug 2010 9:07pm |
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| harveyg77 Member Since: 09 Apr 2010 Location: Derby Posts: 309
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Looks great with the darker colours. Did you notice anything difference about your Defender afterwards?
i.e. was there any wind noise? Did it wallow more? Was it more comfy (don't know just a random guess on weight comrpessing springs more  )?
Was there a drop in economy? Oh, and what can I expect to pay for said setup? Why did you go for the additional interior loop? thank you for the response on a Saturday night. Harvey |
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14th Aug 2010 9:47pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6093
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i.e. was there any wind noise? Not noticible....over the Td5 and stereo anyway... Did it wallow more? No, well, it did slightly, but i added HD springs (130" dual rears) and anti roll bars front & back. handles very nice now. Was it more comfy (don't know just a random guess on weight comrpessing springs more )?
Ummm.. it seems quite "stable" and "planted", kind of hard to desribe, but the extra weight certainly does make it seem stable and solid. Was there a drop in economy? I don't know,it's really a plaything, so i just keep filling it when the needle gets to the red part. the cage itself weighs about 200kg plus a bit more maybe, plus the added drag factor, so i guess it has to make some negative additions to the economy. Oh, and what can I expect to pay for said setup? I think it was about £1200 delivered to my door. Why did you go for the additional interior loop? from P&P, you order it at the same time as the external pieces, as they have to weld various other brakets on to the 1st hoop. |
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14th Aug 2010 9:55pm |
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| Cibit Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 424 
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Hey Harvey I have a P&P cage too.
Advice plan on a hit on MPG by about a 5th. I lost out on about 50 miles on a £50 fill. Wind noise is an issue but fortunately I cannot hear it over the KM2's and the stereo 
Get it fit by a P&P recommended workshop. I didn't and now have a intermittent vibration 
The tubes to the front of the cab leak rusty water all over the roof and doors 
But the reassurance you feel when following Willy through 45 degree cambers is priceless
My new shocks and springs go on tuesday. Terrafirma medium load shocks and flatdog HD springs it has sunk quite a bit with both cage and warn powerplant + bumper and guards must add over 300kgs and now I have added a roof tent 
Some Pics
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Something to bear in mind. Ladder, snorkle, snorkle top and mesh all classed as accessories and the cost rises accordingly 
That said I would not change it :thumbsup: Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  59 2.4 110 XS Utility
55 TD5 110 CSW Special Vehicle |
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15th Aug 2010 11:50am |
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| harveyg77 Member Since: 09 Apr 2010 Location: Derby Posts: 309
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Ci it,
Your 110 looks absolutely superb! I almost regret getting silver when j see how good the black ones look, but I convinced myself silver would be better if I ever get to hot climates like Morocco or Libya. I didn't realise the difference a cage would make to economy. Shame they don't do aero-shaped tubing ;/) I'm inHexham in September, is that anywhere near you? Thanks Harvey |
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15th Aug 2010 5:47pm |
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| markalpha Member Since: 23 Apr 2008 Location: Downham Market Posts: 690  
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Got a P&P, it was on there when i bought the truck, no vibrations and alot quieter than a D3 with roof rack. Mine has mesh panels on roof so no need for a rack !
But rusty water is a problem esp when my truck is white. Over all very pleased with it and feel very safe. I run it with LR DH suspension and it feel planted and lean isn't too bad but it does get through shock ever 10,000 miles, so that is my next up grade but LR did replace them under warranty aswell as bushes. |
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15th Aug 2010 6:09pm |
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| Steve B Member Since: 22 May 2009 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 586 
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Hello
I also have a p+p , quality and fit is good if your fitting yourself best to ore assemble off the vehicle to check the fit and where everything goes, I didn't fit the rubber gaskets just sealed with a good sealant also plenty of sealant where the tubes slide into each other to prevent any rusty water dripping as already mentioned. Mine was for a 90 it's an external front which extends to the rear with a full internal rear, I didn't want the full external bird cage look but wanted to mount my rooftent to the cage. Total weight was 75kg + 15kg for the rooftent mounts so probably not much heavier than a roofrack but with much more purpose. I used the spot light brackets to mount my hilift jack upright, the foot+mech is stored inside. Total cost I think was just under £1500. Steve |
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15th Aug 2010 11:32pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17414 
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Those of you with the full P&P cage on a 110 with the internal B hoop, can you give me some advice, please?
How intrusive is this hoop? Do you find that it limits movement on the driver's seat, or contacts your shoulder when driving? How much impact does it have on the use of the 2nd row seats? Is it still possible to tip the 2nd row seats forward fully? If anyone has one of these cages on a DC, can you tell me if it possible to remove the canopy without removing the rear section of cage (I am thinking of the one with the removable rear section as shown in the photo below, from the OEC International website)? I am seriously lusting after a P&P full cage with a deck but expect serious opposition from SWMBO, so want to be sure of my ground before raising the issue! If anyone else is thinking of one of these, there is an interesting article on the OEC International website about fitting one:- http://www.oec4x4.com/index.php?option=com...;Itemid=42 Many thanks for any advice you can give. Last edited by blackwolf on 16th Aug 2010 12:14pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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16th Aug 2010 9:12am |
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| Cibit Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 424
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Let me know when and maybe time permitting the 2 Phils (Chunk and PDH) and myself could take you on some lanes 59 2.4 110 XS Utility
55 TD5 110 CSW Special Vehicle |
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16th Aug 2010 9:54am |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6093
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In mine (As i'm quite large so have the drivers seat pushed right back and tipped slightly back, i can smack my head on the inner B hoop, although a bit of padding on it would soon sort that out. The middle seats still tip forward just as they did before, no problem, and the middle passengers also gain a handy "foot rest" by the way of the horizontal bar that joins both mounting feet together. I see you're in Dorset? I'll be out on Salisbury plain on thursday afternoon, if you want to pop up and meet me you can have a good gander at the cage. |
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16th Aug 2010 1:22pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5037 
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For those with the bar - pre fitting could you not spray some waxoyl in the tube then use some sealant? Mike
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16th Aug 2010 5:09pm |
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| Cibit Member Since: 26 Oct 2009 Location: Northumberland Posts: 424
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Hi Mike I suggested it to the fitter and he reckoned I would have waxoil dripping all over the roof
59 2.4 110 XS Utility
55 TD5 110 CSW Special Vehicle |
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16th Aug 2010 5:19pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6093
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My thoughts, next time i've got the front piece off the vehicle, is to drill a small (1/4" or so) hole at the bottom of each horizontal roof piece, so when water does go in the tube, it'll just drip out the front.
The trouble with trying to seal the tube up, is that they slide into another piece of tube that bolts to the "B" pillar hoop, and this is an open ended tube also, so any water just travels right down this. |
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16th Aug 2010 5:23pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5037
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Having a drain point is good though.
Spray the waxoyl down, leave it to dry it should no more leak than any other place and tube ive done...even in the hotest sun. If it does top trick - WD40 removes it perfectly in about 5 seconds Mike |
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16th Aug 2010 5:34pm |
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