ellebarto wrote:

After driving in the Peaks the other weekend and getting the usual abuse from walkers and horse riders I had some footage of a couple of numpties I thought I’d share. In fact I was so irritated by the attitudes of the other lane users in comparison to our own I thought it was about time I showed the other side of the coin.

Laurie wrote:

My thoughts are that a lot of 'customised' 4x4s tend to look agressive to other byway users.
A 'showroom' standard looking vehicle doesn't.

This is my thoughts exactly. I do not understand why people wish to go laning in vehicle that look like they are prepped up for the Paris-Dakar! Actually that isn't quite true, I do understand, the owners probably do a spot of pay & play sites or competitive off-roading. The thing is it does look agressive, all the suspension lifts, winches, spotlights, usually with a chugging great diesel engine or snarling V8. The usual combo of camo trousers, rigger boots and shaven heads doesn't help us either (not saying that is what the OP looks like, just a general image)

I used to go Laning in a bog standard dark green series III ragtop, with some friends who drove similar vehicles. We almost never had any hassle from anyone as we tended to blend in. In my IIA the only concerns I have had raised was an old boy who thought I had come to turn his electricity off!

I must also echo the comments that ideally the first thing that should have happened when the horses were spotted was to turn off the engines and wait for them to get past. That said, I think slowly moving at tickover is not unreasonable. I sometimes take the lorry into rural areas and when passing horses it is a matter or slow and wide as possible. Personally horses frighten me a little. Little sister used to ride and I saw a fair few people thrown off, and that is without passing traffic. 2011 110 USW
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me@td5.org wrote:

If it's about showing how considerate you are why is the thread title "Annoying Horse Riders..." which implies you either find them annoying or are trying to annoy them. Either way it's not an impartial view.

To be fair to those giving negative feedback on YouTube, many of your videos deliberately highlight the incompetence of your companions for comedy effect, such as the Disco driver who tipped over his car twice in one outing..

leeds wrote:

The horse riders gave way to you?

Yes one of the riders was not completely 100% in full control of the horse 100% of the time. So it took a few moments for them to get it under control?

It might well be that particular horse has had an unpleasant experience with vehicles or that the rider was not 100% competent in riding a horse. However horses are animals with their own brains/feelings. Yes horse riders do have to learn just like LEARNER DRIVERS. How often have you seen learner drivers let alone drivers with a full licence not 100% in control of their inanimate vehicle?


You state that some of your videos attract anti 4x4 comments! However your comments could be construed as anti horse rider! Even your title to this thread could be construed as anti horse rider!

It could well be argued that you should have driven forward slightly to where the verge was wide, stopped and SWITCHED OFF the engines and allowed the horses to pass by SAFELY stationary and quiet vehicles on a wide verge.

Those horse riders had a perfectly LEGAL right to be on that road.

The fact that the rider asked how many vehicles were in the group was a PERFECTLY SENSIBLE QUESTION! They do not want to set off and have tail end charlie charging up the road catching up with the rest of the group, especially in a narrow section of the road!

The sooner ALL legal road users RESPECT other road users the better!

The sooner people think twice about what videos and comments they put up on utube the better.

Brendan

Brendan

Romadog wrote:

Well like anyone else I watched the video with interest first then read the comments. I was glad to see the above as it saves me having to write more than to say that I agree with them. I watched it with my girlfriend, who rides, and was just downloading a video she took of her and friends today when a BMW came towards them at speed without slowing.
The rear horse moved into the track and in front of the other to protect it as it was obviously nervous of the noisy diesel vehicle. This is a tactic that helps the horses to get used to the situation. The same reason why some ride two abreast on the road, as well as to make sure drivers pass slowly.
Why did you feel that you had right of way over them ?
More respect of eachother is needed.

Laurie wrote:

My thoughts are that a lot of 'customised' 4x4s tend to look agressive to other byway users.
A 'showroom' standard looking vehicle doesn't.

Cuthbert wrote:

ellebarto wrote:

After driving in the Peaks the other weekend and getting the usual abuse from walkers and horse riders I had some footage of a couple of numpties I thought I’d share. In fact I was so irritated by the attitudes of the other lane users in comparison to our own I thought it was about time I showed the other side of the coin.

Ellebarto,

I take you have now read some of the less than favourable responses to your posting and video. Maybe you would like to share with us what you were hoping to achieve - other than a disastrous piece of p.r. for 4X4 driving. I'm scratching my head regarding your attitude and desire to share this.

As for promoting your Bendifroot brand of online entertainment - don't think you quite grasp the concept of building a respected brand, engaging with an educated/grown up audience and gaining the respect of others in the 4X4 community.

22900013A wrote:

Laurie wrote:

My thoughts are that a lot of 'customised' 4x4s tend to look agressive to other byway users.
A 'showroom' standard looking vehicle doesn't.

This is my thoughts exactly. I do not understand why people wish to go laning in vehicle that look like they are prepped up for the Paris-Dakar! Actually that isn't quite true, I do understand, the owners probably do a spot of pay & play sites or competitive off-roading. The thing is it does look agressive, all the suspension lifts, winches, spotlights, usually with a chugging great diesel engine or snarling V8. The usual combo of camo trousers, rigger boots and shaven heads doesn't help us either (not saying that is what the OP looks like, just a general image)

I used to go Laning in a bog standard dark green series III ragtop, with some friends who drove similar vehicles. We almost never had any hassle from anyone as we tended to blend in. In my IIA the only concerns I have had raised was an old boy who thought I had come to turn his electricity off!

I must also echo the comments that ideally the first thing that should have happened when the horses were spotted was to turn off the engines and wait for them to get past. That said, I think slowly moving at tickover is not unreasonable. I sometimes take the lorry into rural areas and when passing horses it is a matter or slow and wide as possible. Personally horses frighten me a little. Little sister used to ride and I saw a fair few people thrown off, and that is without passing traffic.

Anderzander wrote:

My perspective is that you did more right than wrong - you weren't overly aggressive, ignorant or the like.

I agree with others that I would tend to stop, pull over where possible, and switch off if a horse is spooked. I also agree about standard looking vehicles.

The bit of this that sits least well is the spin you've put on it: the thread title and the subtitles comments etc.

Did that lady really snarl ? and asking how many vehicles are ahead when she's on a flighty horse seems reasonable. Will they really be in the pub slagging you off ? Sounds like a bit of stereo-typing on your part or at the least it seems a negative presumption.

You obviously want to do the right thing - but appear to lack that final bit of empathy and to have started to have fallen into the us and them divide.

I've encountered some terrible vitriol in the peaks. Normal looking walker types who have shocked me with what came out of their mouths. Such terrible language too. But even there a bit of empathy makes you realise how unfortunate their situation is ... Imagine going through you life with that much anger and hatred in you ..... a grim proposition.

ellebarto wrote:

You haven't read the description of the video, obviously!

Whilst these people annoyed me personally (and that's my opinion) the video is demoing how I think you should approach horse riders. You immediately attempted some tenuous correlation between a nervy horse and a 4x4 which kind of makes my point. Any anti 4x4 comment seems to be from the same perspective. Its fine for people to poke at the 4x4 community and claim we are all mindless vandal but heaven forbid you try to defend yourself!