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| appaloosadude Member Since: 17 Oct 2012 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 630   
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My TD5 (or maybe it is me..) has developed a judder at very low speeds, when pulling away it jerks and judders. I reckon 110000 miles would be about time for a clutch and DMF to let go, and am now considering changing the lot. Any recommendations for the release bearing and fork, thinking of upgrading if the parts are available? (I know that for the older models there are heavier duty forks and bearings available.)
Naturally for the clutch itself I would only use a Valeo or Borg & Beck or similar. Any other jobs worth doing whilst I've got the lot out? |
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8th Jan 2013 9:13pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443  
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Mine has recently but when I've done 5 or 6 miles it goes away. Most pronounced in first when pulling away. My thoughts put this down to the amount of water I've been through over the past month or two as it appears to "dry" out after a few miles and lets face it, it's not been that often we've had a dry morning. It was better on the first drives of the day over the weekend, the first time for ages it has been dry in the morning. I do not experience any clutch slip when driving around so will wait to see if it "cures itself" or just goes away when the drier weather eventually comes and for now just drive accordingly.
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8th Jan 2013 9:34pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443
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Meant to say my 110 has just done 150k on the original clutch.
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8th Jan 2013 9:35pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8006  
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fork is cast and should be fine. mine went at 110k had the bearing, DMF and friction plate and cover done. Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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8th Jan 2013 9:57pm |
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| 238kirk Member Since: 03 Nov 2012 Location: Doncaster Posts: 233 
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My td5 also has a judder when cold sometimes, has done 54k
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8th Jan 2013 10:01pm |
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| mk1collector Member Since: 17 Sep 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 6769 
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I've noticed this on mine since its been cold and damp lately and mine had a new clutch flywheel and the lot just over a year ago
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8th Jan 2013 10:03pm |
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| yobbie Member Since: 15 Nov 2010 Location: Isle of Wight Posts: 712 
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I've got the same too, my clutch & DMF were changed about 20,000m ago, it's only since we've had all this damp weather.
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8th Jan 2013 10:13pm |
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| me@td5.org Member Since: 16 Jan 2011 Location: Warwick Posts: 856 
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Any oil leaks from the back of your rocker cover? Possibly a source of contamination.
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8th Jan 2013 10:49pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17337 
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TD5s (both Defender and Disco) seem to be very prone to this and it isn't always easy to cure. My Disco became juddery from about 130k miles so I had a complete new clutch and flywheel (all OEM and dealer fitted). The old parts which I got back to inspect all appeared fine, and the friction plate had plenty of thickness left. New clutch was fine for the next 10k miles or so, but then started juddering just like the old one.
I suspect that the problem goes beyond the clutch itself, and is influenced by slop in the driveline as well as soft suspension bushes etc. I have found that it is possible to develop a technique which minimises the propensity to judder, by holding the RPMs little higher than I normally would as the clutch starts to bite and then allowing them to drop as engagement progresses. All in all I don't feel that the DMF and clutch on the TD5 is the best bit of design! |
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8th Jan 2013 10:51pm |
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| JWL Member Since: 26 Oct 2011 Location: Hereford Posts: 3443
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I'll agree with Blackwolf, first few standing starts I will pull away with higher revs and "slip" the clutch and as the engine temperature reaches normal with a few miles covered then I can then pull away normally i.e. let the clutch out and then apply the power. There is quite a lot of transmission slack on mine which really makes me want the smoothest of starts possible
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8th Jan 2013 11:06pm |
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| appaloosadude Member Since: 17 Oct 2012 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 630
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Interesting. I would not have thought that damp weather should affect a clutch as much as that.
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9th Jan 2013 1:30pm |
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| LandymanStefan Member Since: 30 Aug 2017 Location: Surrey Posts: 881 
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Has anyone recently experienced this or found a cure?
My Td5 has 52k miles on and started doing this last winter. Juddering at the bite point on pull away. Only does it when cold and pulling away with no throttle. If you give it more throttle and slip than normal it’s ok or less noticeable. Once’s shes warmed up it’s fine. Seems a bit worse now it’s colder. I was planning to change to a full lof smf kit at some stage but I didn’t want to do it yet. Car isn’t remapped and doesn’t tow so hasn’t had heavy use |
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27th Oct 2021 12:47pm |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2225 
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First check should be for rocker cover leak at the rear where the 'half moon' section seals the end injector rocker shaft recess. This can leak oil down into the bellhousing and contaminate the clutch plate.
Other thing to check is for a leaking FPR which can cause diesel to get onto the clutch plate. My Td5 has always juddered when cold/damp though. Have just taken the clutch/dmf out and they all seem fine so dont think they are the actual cause. I agree with Blackwolf that the drivetrain slack, soft bushes, worn transmission and engine mountings exaggerate the issue though. Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread |
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27th Oct 2021 1:01pm |
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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039  
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Mine has is sometimes mostly while reversing. It does that from when I bought it and I was thinking I change it when it gets worse. Still waiting on that since 2009. It is not slipping or giving other bad signs so it is still fitted. Roel
1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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27th Oct 2021 5:11pm |
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