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| Peter Member Since: 04 Mar 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 153   
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Got a feeling x-eng have a solution for this exact requirement.
http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Flex.asp Peter |
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26th Dec 2012 2:36am |
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| JeremyJ Member Since: 16 Nov 2011 Location: Aylesbury Posts: 1758
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2nd vote for the x-eng bar. I've run one for a while and it works very very well
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26th Dec 2012 6:39am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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really depends on how much you go off road, i have ARB on my 90 and take it off road but nothing too technical, but this means on road it's still fine to drive without becoming sea-sick
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26th Dec 2012 6:44am |
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| pope10001 Member Since: 15 Oct 2011 Location: Dulverton Posts: 489 
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Hi, I have taken the anti roll bars off of my 90 and while it does have some body roll in the bends I have not had it on 2 wheels yet and I have tried. I drive very quickly on the roads out here and the most I have had happen so far is a four wheel drift. I also have a two inch lift.
I think the only time that you are likely to induce a roll over is in an accident type scenario or maybe a very, very hard swerve. HTH. Regards, Mark |
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26th Dec 2012 8:41am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380 
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My 110 DC has never had anti-roll bars and although there is more body roll on corners than on my Disco 2 (no surprises there!) it really isn't a problem, even with a Patriot rack.
I suspect that the springs are stiffer on the 110DC though since it has the 1-ton payload and no arbs as standard. |
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26th Dec 2012 8:59am |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6092 
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I have ARB's front & back on my 110, and still get around pretty well. Axle travel isn't too bad at all.
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26th Dec 2012 9:59am |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8581
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WHY? WHY? WHY? As I understand it you did your first green Laning trip the other day. Now Defenders are an extremely capable vehicle on road including green lanes (which are legal roads) and off road. Yes people like to modify their Defenders, but I would suggest you get some more experience under your tyres before opening your wallet too much. Decent recovery points, a decent 'bit of string' with some good pointers how to use them. Some basic underbody protection possibly some rock and tree sliders rather then steps as asked on another thread. We run our Defenders both with and without ARBs. On one broke the rear ARB and have never replaced it. People following us have commented on body roll going into corners but I have not experienced any problems with it. Get a lot more experience with the vehicle first and then decide how you are mainly using the vehicle and how you NEED to modify it so it fulfils YOUR requirements! Brendan |
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26th Dec 2012 10:34am |
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| bm52 Member Since: 04 Apr 2010 Location: Kent Posts: 2189 
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Also...if you have TC it will pull you through most problems once you get to know how it works and trust it to do the job it is designed to do.
I have a 90 so slightly different and I mostly do roads and i have a stiffer rear ARB but it has not affected the off road ability on any part of a LR Experience course. it might do if you go extreme but i would have thought normal green lanes would be fine with an ARB fitted. Can I suggest you take Leeds advice he is extremely experienced as are many others on this site. Me....I am just a keen novice when compare to Leeds. BM52 |
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26th Dec 2012 11:09am |
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| lambert.the.farmer Member Since: 11 Apr 2012 Location: harrogate Posts: 2006  
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I had both on my 90 and took them off to go rock climbing and it really helps keep the tyres down. However. I was followed by a mate on road who said it looked like a boat even though it felt fine, so I put the front back in and i gained up to 10mph on certain fast corners and off road I have possibly lost half an inch of flex if that when climbing or not enough to really make a difference. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.
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26th Dec 2012 11:57am |
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| Ric Member Since: 03 Nov 2012 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 209 
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Right, thanks all for the comments and tips.
Leeds wrote: "WHY? WHY? WHY?" That's why I asked, it was just spoke about and I wondered about the pros & cons "As I understand it you did your first green Laning trip the other day." This is true, and hence the post "Yes people like to modify their Defenders, but I would suggest you get some more experience under your tyres before opening your wallet too much." I was just referring to the removal of the anti roll bars, nothing more, so no cost! I'm in favour if keeping them, however just wanted to hear other opinions "Decent recovery points, a decent 'bit of string' with some good pointers how to use them" Thanks "Some basic underbody protection possibly some rock and tree sliders rather then steps as asked on another thread" Hrmm, this is confusing, maybe I wrote that post wrong. I have steps on as standard, the thread was about replacing them with rock / tree sliders. As for the rest of underbody protection, this is what I've been sensibly opening my wallet for, the only luxury bit was the entreq trans/fuel cooler guard that we spoke about (pm was sent) We run our Defenders both with and without ARBs. On one broke the rear ARB and have never replaced it. People following us have commented on body roll going into corners but I have not experienced any problems with it. Brendan, thanks for the tips, looking forward to the trip over as discussed and regards above, just defending my corner  its only a car! |
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27th Dec 2012 11:17am |
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| Dave-H Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 1507 
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I fitted front and rear ARB's to my 90 about 3 years ago to firm it up a bit on the road
i've not noticed any difference whatsoever in it off road abilities .. still goes everywhere i point it... and we do some pretty serious laning at times 
Dont remove yours thinking it will make a vast improvement in its off road ability .... i doubt you'll notice any difference other than on tarmac  Guns and Landrovers .... anything else is irrelevant. |
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27th Dec 2012 3:02pm |
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| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169 
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I refuse to call them ARBs as that means something completely different to me! In serious off-roading circles 'front and rear ARBs' would be interpreted as 'front and rear ARB diff lockers'....
Anyway, I have never had anti-roll bars on my Defender. Never had them, never missed them, never had noticeable or worrying body roll. I drive my vehicle properly as it should be driven for a high centre of gravity vehicle. \ I used to have my springs and shocks set-up designed for mainly road use, nice and stiff, but it also had reasonable articulation off-road. There is quite a big difference now I've got longer springs and longer travel shocks on, so I've had to learn to anticipate this on bends and reduce speed accordingly - although it still holds the road really well, it 'feels' a lot more body roll - but actually it is still pretty stable... Changing (renewing or changing to different) shocks and springs is likely, on most Defenders, to make more difference to the feel of the whole vehicle - ie. comfort and road-holding, than adding or removing anti-roll bars. The thing to remember is that the 'roll' bit in anti-roll' refers to anti-body roll, not anti-roll-over. Stiffening the body roll will, to some extent, reduce the 'flip-flop' effect if the vehicle gets out of sorts, or will put it into less of a lean on bends, so slightly lessening the risk of lifting the wheels on the other side.... but the best thing is, as I said above, to drive in a manner that doesn't get you into those situations!  Our blog - http://landytravels.com/
Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net |
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27th Dec 2012 4:51pm |
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| johnszs Member Since: 16 Aug 2010 Location: Hereford Posts: 459 
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Driven mine without for a month, but put mine back on.
Mainly because i couldnt see any difference offroad, but i found it alot nicer to drive on roads 2004 TD5 Defender 90 xs station wagon |
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27th Dec 2012 7:44pm |
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| pannawonica Member Since: 21 Nov 2010 Location: Clackline Western Australia Posts: 568 
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ARB's, AKA air leakers as they are know as over here. Took me a little while to work out what you were on about!
 Happy new year. |
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28th Dec 2012 10:58am |
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