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ZeDefender



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Are Puma windscreens glued?
I'm having a discussion with Carglass (Autoglass in the UK) about the cost to professionally (i.e. not LR) re-fit/seal my windscreen. It's Censored down with rain all the time here so I can't seal it myself... and my foot is soaking... so I'm just looking at alternatives.

Whether the screen is glued in or not determines the cost and who has to pay if it breaks...

MY2011 - any info?

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Old fashioned glass in rubber seal, no glue anywhere.

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ZeDefender



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bob neville wrote:
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Old fashioned glass in rubber seal, no glue anywhere.

Bob

Brilliant - but would be better if it didn't leak Rolling Eyes
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p.s. do you happen to know how much a new heated screen costs (approx)? Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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The part number is LR009820 which is 'WITH CLEAR GLASS - COMPLETE, WITH HEATED WINDSCREEN' and is GBP 272.89 + VAT

Should be paying no more than GBP50+VAT for fitting.
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Are you sure it's the screen? Have you looked at the bulkhead to frame seal, bracket seals etc too? Steve.
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Miserableolgit wrote:
Are you sure it's the screen? Have you looked at the bulkhead to frame seal, bracket seals etc too?

I can see the water dribbling in just under the windscreen rubber when it's raining, so some is definitely coming in there. I can't tell yet if any is getting through the bulkhead seal - it is wet along the top but that's probably just from under the windscreen rubber above. If the bulkhead seal is leaking, I'm hoping Todger's creeping crack sealant will sort it out (if I can get things dry enough in the work garage...
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if you can get them to use a new rubber and Zag can recommend some sealant ... not sure of your situation... was this a planned change or is it an emergency ?

I had my td5 one changed, the man broke 2 trying to fit a new one Sad
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wslr wrote:
The part number is LR009820 which is 'WITH CLEAR GLASS - COMPLETE, WITH HEATED WINDSCREEN' and is GBP 272.89 + VAT

Should be paying no more than GBP50+VAT for fitting.

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bpman wrote:
is it an emergency ?

not exactly an "emergency" yet but its getting worse in the rain and will be much worse when the snow/slush comes and sits on the guttering Sad Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
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maybe for the time being, run some grease around the edges to keep the water out until it dries up a little and you can tackle the job in the dry, take your time and get all the right sealants ? (sorry not telling you what to do, just that's what i'd do) Thumbs Up
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bpman wrote:
maybe for the time being, run some grease around the edges to keep the water out until it dries up a little and you can tackle the job in the dry, take your time and get all the right sealants ? (sorry not telling you what to do, just that's what i'd do) Thumbs Up

As I said, I'm looking at all possibilities over the next few days and that's a good one - it will also tell me if the bulkhead seal is leaking too Thumbs Up

Actually, if the bulkhead seal is leaking too, keeping it greased might also be a fix for now - unless the grease attacks the foam rubber Confused

Also just thought that if Carglass break the screen, I could claim it happened on the road and get my insurance to pay for it Twisted Evil

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Personally I'd be wary of using grease anywhere near where you will want to be permanently sealing up at a later stage, getting rid of the grease so that the sealant can take effect / bond is likely to be a PITA. Steve.
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Ten years in the windscreen game, we used this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARBOMAST-WINDSCR..._518wt_698
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GREENI wrote:
Ten years in the windscreen game, we used this...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ARBOMAST-WINDSCR..._518wt_698


Thumbs Up Exactly what you want (Same as the stuff from Frosts.co.uk) because as it says...

"ALWAYS FLEXIBLE ALTHOUGH FORMS A SINK ON THE SURFACE. THIS SEALANT IS USED BETWEEN THE GLASS AND RUBBER AND ALSO THE RUBBER AND BODYWORK TO PREVENT OR TO STOP LEAKAGE"

No need to take the rubber out, just seal it and as MOG says avoid grease Thumbs Up
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Zagato wrote:
No need to take the rubber out, just seal it and as MOG says avoid grease Thumbs Up


Thanks all - will only use grease in dire emergencies Thumbs Up

I would have to order Arbomast from UK so I'll check out what e.g. Carglass use here (probably similar).

Last questions:

1) If I do get Carglass to do the whole job (they now tell me they can for around 50 quid), do you think I should get a new rubber seal? This one is only 10 months old and I can only find cheapo copies (30 quid) on the German net?

2) If the bulkhead-frame seal is leaking, I have loads of butyl tape I can use to make a permanent flexible barrier covering the foam rubber seal from the outside - is there any reason the seal has to be open to the air?

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